chambered vs non chambered

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12253 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

curious on thoughts of the difference for les paul customs. local place doesnt have any chambered les paul customs here for me to see the dif.

whats the thoughts on the chambered?
I dont care that its lighter.
dont want it to be neck heavy
dont want it to sound like a hollowbody, the mids are always hollow sounding.

the chambered make a sound difference to anyone that you can notice other than the weight of the guitar

Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 1127 Location: New Jersey

I tried both out and to be honest besides the weight of the guitar I felt the chambered LP customs had more sustain and better resonance. They will 100% not be neck heavy they are balanced perfectly just like a regular LP.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

I have played many and owned a few. I'll take a chambered LPC over a non-chambered every day of the week and twice on Sunday. They sound more full, have more sustain and resonance and are more pleasing to stand on stage with Laughing

All LPs are weight relieved in one way or another now. So even if it's not chambered it's still got some swiss cheese going on under the cap. Be that as it may the chambered ones are amazing. The closest I have come to a completely solid LPC was a Custom Shop 57' Black Beauty I owned for a few months. That guitar was nice but didn't sound as good as a chambered LP. My dream LP is a Supreme. It's got a maple front and back with a chambered mahogany center so it's basically a hollow body with no holes.

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:40 pm

I want the Bucketass...I mean Buckethead Sig way bad!!!

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

Grim Reaper wrote:

I want the Bucketass...I mean Buckethead Sig way bad!!!

It's so bad ass. I looked for one for a while locally but no luck.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12253 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

odd. everywhere I read, everyone says the chambered guitar suck. Im gonna have to do the unthinkable and set foot in gaytar center to try one out. going there is like going to church, everyone thinks they are better than you, the music is annoying , everything you do is ridiculed, you feel guilty after being there and you feel like I need to go to confession. everyone says I'd be better off buying a chinese LP custom knockoff than buying a brand new Gibson LP Custom. I cant see a $400 knockoff being better than a 5k gibby custom shop LP

Joined: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 305

sounds like most guitar forums too ! Laughing

I have a 2008 Gibson LP Standard that's chambered. I tried 18 or so other Les Pauls and this one just felt perfect and sounded awesome. Imagine my horror when I read later on the interwebz that chambered Les Pauls suck!! You see I knew it was a wicked guitar that sustained for days, but people on forums were quite sure I was wrong...

Soon afterwards I realized that the interweb forums are just full of morons that have no valid opinions on any sort of topic so I just carried on loving my chambered Les Paul. It really is a tone machine. It sings and sustains like nothing else. So yah, get out and play a few and forget the internet opinions.

Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Posts: 8255 Location: Ontario, Canada

There is no way a $400 Chinese knockoff is better. Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

I don't have enough experiance with chambered but I do know about Swiss cheese and fully solid like my LPC. There is such little difference in weight and sustain that without a scale or stop watch you couldn't judge it. I haven't measured but both the AFD and LPC sustain longer than I need them to.

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:17 pm

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Grim Reaper wrote:

I want the Bucketass...I mean Buckethead Sig way bad!!!

It's so bad ass. I looked for one for a while locally but no luck.

Some dude in Montreal has been trying to unload a mint one forever on CL.., in case you're ever out this way.

Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 9602 Location: Portsmouth, VA

There's so much variance from one piece of wood to the next that it's all just conjecture. I don't like a light Les Paul but that's solely on feel. I grew up with heavy LPs so a light one feels odd.

A Les Paul:

Mahogany back (1 pc, 2 pc, 3 pc, pancake...)
Maple top (Historic Customs are all mahogany)(1 pc, 2 pc, 3 pc, butcher block...)
Set neck (1 pc, 3 pc, sometimes maple, long tenon/trans tenon/short tenon, 24 3/4 scale...)
Board (rosewood...sometimes laminated, ebony...sometimes synthetic, maple...always ugly, imho)
Pickups (PAFs, Pats, Pat sticker T tops, t tops, shaws, HB-L/R, 498T/490R, 490T/490R, 500T/496R, Dirty Fingers, aftermarket...)
Hardware (Klusons, Grovers, Schallers, ABR-1/Nashville, brass/zamac/aluminum tp...)
Electronics (500k/300k volumes and 300/100k tones)

All that s#%t put together with varying tolerances and a half gallon of titebond makes an extra body cavity just a tiny part of the end tone. Give one a shot. Smile

Joined: 09 Jan 2012 Posts: 62

I love my Les Paul but the one thing I hate is the headstock will break off if you look at it sideways. Min fell over off a guitar stand on to carpet. CCRRRRRAAAAAACCC KKKKKKKK!!!!!!!

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:54 pm

Me I'm old school. I prefer the heavier Les Pauls. Its a matter of personal taste. While I don't care much for the 3 piece top Les Paul. I still like it my 2 76s models, have a slim tapered neck profile. But most of the 70s Gibsons did.

Here's a funny thing. I posted my 76's on the Gibson Les Paul Facebook page. I got likes for those photo's. Not one like for the vintage 56 or 60 Special though.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:58 pm

'87 sherwood wrote:

There is no way a $400 Chinese knockoff is better. Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

I don't have enough experiance with chambered but I do know about Swiss cheese and fully solid like my LPC. There is such little difference in weight and sustain that without a scale or stop watch you couldn't judge it. I haven't measured but both the AFD and LPC sustain longer than I need them to.

The guy I used to play with in Boss Tweed has 2 of those knockoffs, and they look and sound like s#%t. You can also tell they are fake for the cutaway is much different than a real Les Paul.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:57 pm

formula73 wrote:

There's so much variance from one piece of wood to the next that it's all just conjecture. I don't like a light Les Paul but that's solely on feel. I grew up with heavy LPs so a light one feels odd.

A Les Paul:

Mahogany back (1 pc, 2 pc, 3 pc, pancake...)
Maple top (Historic Customs are all mahogany)(1 pc, 2 pc, 3 pc, butcher block...)
Set neck (1 pc, 3 pc, sometimes maple, long tenon/trans tenon/short tenon, 24 3/4 scale...)
Board (rosewood...sometimes laminated, ebony...sometimes synthetic, maple...always ugly, imho)
Pickups (PAFs, Pats, Pat sticker T tops, t tops, shaws, HB-L/R, 498T/490R, 490T/490R, 500T/496R, Dirty Fingers, aftermarket...)
Hardware (Klusons, Grovers, Schallers, ABR-1/Nashville, brass/zamac/aluminum tp...)
Electronics (500k/300k volumes and 300/100k tones)

All that s#%t put together with varying tolerances and a half gallon of titebond makes an extra body cavity just a tiny part of the end tone. Give one a shot. Smile

Exactly

Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 98

Alas, in this humble knight's observation, each of Lord Paul's spawn, be'ith they chamber'ed or non, hath theire own temperaments. Formidable weaponry may be'ith founde from either method of construction!

However, consideration must be'ith given as to how ye weight of any axe may fatigue'th thee! Whence ye Metallic assault hath concluded, thine body must not be'ith so spent as to decline athletic fornications with appreciative, nubile maidens! What thee hath gained in tone shan't equal what thine lost in poon!

This post now concludeth!

Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 4622 Location: UP of Michigan

Awesome

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:27 pm

Ye Black Knight wrote:

Alas, in this humble knight's observation, each of Lord Paul's spawn, be'ith they chamber'ed or non, hath theire own temperaments. Formidable weaponry may be'ith founde from either method of construction!

However, consideration must be'ith given as to how ye weight of any axe may fatigue'th thee! Whence ye Metallic assault hath concluded, thine body must not be'ith so spent as to decline athletic fornications with appreciative, nubile maidens! What thee hath gained in tone shan't equal what thine lost in poon!

This post now concludeth!

Good point Sir Knight

I guess I look at it this way, what's another lb or two in weight difference. If your used to a heavy guitar, your used to it. Felice, Brandon and I are all used to heavy guitars so they don't faze us. A chambered guitar will have more resonance though but this is more noticeable in non-metal applications

Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Posts: 2431 Location: Midwest, Sweden

'87 sherwood wrote:

Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

oh, and you can? Laughing

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:59 pm

I M Evil wrote:

'87 sherwood wrote:

Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

oh, and you can? Laughing

Dude....

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

I M Evil wrote:

'87 sherwood wrote:

Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

oh, and you can? Laughing

Honestly, and I say this with all due respect, but when you're on stage with your amp cranked up NO ONE, including the guitarists in the audience watching with their arms folded, judging your every move can tell the difference between chambered and solid or swiss cheese. Only the player will know due to weight and possibly the way the guitar resonates. Tone wise? There is NO FVCKING WAY. That's just my opinion of course which may be worth horse manure. You can make any Les Paul sound good just by changing the settings on your amp.

Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Posts: 4860 Location: Pennsylvania

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I M Evil wrote:

'87 sherwood wrote:

Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

oh, and you can? Laughing

Honestly, and I say this with all due respect, but when you're on stage with your amp cranked up NO ONE, including the guitarists in the audience watching with their arms folded, judging your every move can tell the difference between chambered and solid or swiss cheese. Only the player will know due to weight and possibly the way the guitar resonates. Tone wise? There is NO FVCKING WAY. That's just my opinion of course which may be worth horse manure. You can make any Les Paul sound good just by changing the settings on your amp.

i used to be somewhat into getting 'the tone' in my ten years of basement playing. never went crazy with amps but bought a few sets of $300+ BKP pickups. Now that I'm jamming with a band, and another guitar in the mix... its laughable how anal some people are about their tone. It all sounds the same in the mix. Find an amp you like, and a guitar that feels good. They all sound the same.

Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Posts: 2431 Location: Midwest, Sweden

this calls for some words of wisdom from Marty Friedman...

"Spend less time chasing tones and more time just playing music."

hit the head on the nail did he.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12253 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

I M Evil wrote:

this calls for some words of wisdom from Marty Friedman...

"Spend less time chasing tones and more time just playing music."

hit the head on the nail did he.

and these are def words marty has lived by cause his guitar sound is aweful to me on any recording ive ever heard him do. His playing is top notch though. But since I am flipping the bill and Marty is not, I will buy the one that fits my criteria all around. Very Happy

Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Posts: 2431 Location: Midwest, Sweden

BLOODROOT wrote:

and these are def words marty has lived by cause his guitar sound is aweful to me on any recording ive ever heard him do. His playing is top notch though. But since I am flipping the bill and Marty is not, I will buy the one that fits my criteria all around. Very Happy

that kinda' proves the point doesn't it? Wink

there are definately a few exceptions, but from what I've seen and read
during my 7 years(I think?) here, most people are more interested in buying
more guitars, more amps etc etc than actually play, play some more, play until your fingers bleed and then play again. Laughing

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:37 am

cgibsong002 wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I M Evil wrote:

'87 sherwood wrote:

Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

oh, and you can? Laughing

Honestly, and I say this with all due respect, but when you're on stage with your amp cranked up NO ONE, including the guitarists in the audience watching with their arms folded, judging your every move can tell the difference between chambered and solid or swiss cheese. Only the player will know due to weight and possibly the way the guitar resonates. Tone wise? There is NO FVCKING WAY. That's just my opinion of course which may be worth horse manure. You can make any Les Paul sound good just by changing the settings on your amp.

i used to be somewhat into getting 'the tone' in my ten years of basement playing. never went crazy with amps but bought a few sets of $300+ BKP pickups. Now that I'm jamming with a band, and another guitar in the mix... its laughable how anal some people are about their tone. It all sounds the same in the mix. Find an amp you like, and a guitar that feels good. They all sound the same.

almost. nuances are lost. but other things are desireable. crunch, punch, grind etc. there are charictaristics that different guitars and amps offer that arent lost live

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:46 am

BLOODROOT wrote:

curious on thoughts of the difference for les paul customs. local place doesnt have any chambered les paul customs here for me to see the dif.

whats the thoughts on the chambered?
I dont care that its lighter.
dont want it to be neck heavy
dont want it to sound like a hollowbody, the mids are always hollow sounding.

the chambered make a sound difference to anyone that you can notice other than the weight of the guitar

Almost every one of the Guitars Billy Gibbons is using onstage these days is Built by John Bolin (no matter what it says on the HS) and none of them sound like a hollowbody! Some of them even have Chambered Necks... Shocked

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

lordkronos187 wrote:

cgibsong002 wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I M Evil wrote:

'87 sherwood wrote:

Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

oh, and you can? Laughing

Honestly, and I say this with all due respect, but when you're on stage with your amp cranked up NO ONE, including the guitarists in the audience watching with their arms folded, judging your every move can tell the difference between chambered and solid or swiss cheese. Only the player will know due to weight and possibly the way the guitar resonates. Tone wise? There is NO FVCKING WAY. That's just my opinion of course which may be worth horse manure. You can make any Les Paul sound good just by changing the settings on your amp.

i used to be somewhat into getting 'the tone' in my ten years of basement playing. never went crazy with amps but bought a few sets of $300+ BKP pickups. Now that I'm jamming with a band, and another guitar in the mix... its laughable how anal some people are about their tone. It all sounds the same in the mix. Find an amp you like, and a guitar that feels good. They all sound the same.

almost. nuances are lost. but other things are desireable. crunch, punch, grind etc. there are charictaristics that different guitars and amps offer that arent lost live

I call BS here. No disrespect intended but it's true. Especially if you're gigging a lot. If you're in the studio then I totally get it. You want to shape your sound to put that perfect stamp on that recording. Live? No way... You want reliability, ease of transport and cost effectiveness.

Maybe I just feel that way because I don't care about that stuff anymore but from my experience I realized I spent too much time focusing on things that only stressed me out and made no difference in the end.

I have had gigs that were complete disasters sound wise where people came up after the show and said "wow your tone is amazing" and I have had gigs where I was dialed in and I listened back to the recordings and it was complete poopy.

It's the "feel good effect" more than anything. Feel good about your gear and you'll have more enjoyment playing with it. But it won't necessarily make you sound any better. I bet the farm Chris wouldn't sound any better on a LPC than he does on his cheapo LTD. He's a great player. That's what makes him sound good.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12253 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

Quote:

I have had gigs that were complete disasters sound wise where people came up after the show and said "wow your tone is amazing" and I have had gigs where I was dialed in and I listened back to the recordings and it was complete poopy.

I approve this message. ^^^^

there are so many things that factor into live settings. Its close to impossible to ever get the perfect tone. Gear, size of the hall, where you are standing on stage, humidity, all kinds of stuff. Even if you think you are dialed in perfect, someone will say it sounded bad. chasing tone is like finding the ark of the covenant. But it its sure fun trying.

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:21 am

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

lordkronos187 wrote:

cgibsong002 wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I M Evil wrote:

'87 sherwood wrote:

Those guys couldnt tell a good guitar from a sears catalog special. Probably play with so much gain they can't tell mahogony from plywood.

oh, and you can? Laughing

Honestly, and I say this with all due respect, but when you're on stage with your amp cranked up NO ONE, including the guitarists in the audience watching with their arms folded, judging your every move can tell the difference between chambered and solid or swiss cheese. Only the player will know due to weight and possibly the way the guitar resonates. Tone wise? There is NO FVCKING WAY. That's just my opinion of course which may be worth horse manure. You can make any Les Paul sound good just by changing the settings on your amp.

i used to be somewhat into getting 'the tone' in my ten years of basement playing. never went crazy with amps but bought a few sets of $300+ BKP pickups. Now that I'm jamming with a band, and another guitar in the mix... its laughable how anal some people are about their tone. It all sounds the same in the mix. Find an amp you like, and a guitar that feels good. They all sound the same.

almost. nuances are lost. but other things are desireable. crunch, punch, grind etc. there are charictaristics that different guitars and amps offer that arent lost live

I call BS here. No disrespect intended but it's true. Especially if you're gigging a lot. If you're in the studio then I totally get it. You want to shape your sound to put that perfect stamp on that recording. Live? No way... You want reliability, ease of transport and cost effectiveness.

Maybe I just feel that way because I don't care about that stuff anymore but from my experience I realized I spent too much time focusing on things that only stressed me out and made no difference in the end.

I have had gigs that were complete disasters sound wise where people came up after the show and said "wow your tone is amazing" and I have had gigs where I was dialed in and I listened back to the recordings and it was complete poopy.

It's the "feel good effect" more than anything. Feel good about your gear and you'll have more enjoyment playing with it. But it won't necessarily make you sound any better. I bet the farm Chris wouldn't sound any better on a LPC than he does on his cheapo LTD. He's a great player. That's what makes him sound good.

*shrug* i cant really contest that. ive never gigged live . i base my opinion only on what ive heard at shows ive gone to. heres what im getting at : i can not hear nuances of gain, mids, wood types and blah blah. hell look at scott in. most of his guitars are all maple. i never would have guessd. but those other qualities i mentioned seem totaly manipulatable.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

lordkronos187 wrote:

*shrug* i cant really contest that. ive never gigged live . i base my opinion only on what ive heard at shows ive gone to. heres what im getting at : i can not hear nuances of gain, mids, wood types and blah blah. hell look at scott in. most of his guitars are all maple. i never would have guessd. but those other qualities i mentioned seem totaly manipulatable.

When you're in a nationally touring act like that who brings their own crew, their own production including a $20,000 mixing desk and a qualified sound tech (not some salty club guy who hates his life but a touring professional that loves to make you sound good) and you have an amazing rig, provided to you by the manufacturer of your choice, yes you will sound amazing and those nuances will come out.

It's like hollywood Vs. sitcoms... The budget is not nearly the same. The bands you go see and love. The amps you hear them play (the Iced Earth guy for one with that amp he has), that's all carefully manufactured to give you a boner. That's not the reality of how gear works in the trenches though with the majority of the gigging/touring masses. So it's OK to have fantasies about how it all goes together to create the perfect tone but I PROMISE you you can work all you want to get it. Unless you control every aspect of how the audience hears you, you won't be completely satisfied. But I get where you're coming from. It's all fun in the end. Don't just buy crap gear because Lanning said you can't have good tone if you're not famous lol Laughing

Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 340 Location: cali.

BLOODROOT wrote:

I M Evil wrote:

this calls for some words of wisdom from Marty Friedman...

"Spend less time chasing tones and more time just playing music."

hit the head on the nail did he.

and these are def words marty has lived by cause his guitar sound is aweful to me on any recording ive ever heard him do. His playing is top notch though. But since I am flipping the bill and Marty is not, I will buy the one that fits my criteria all around. Very Happy

agreed , I fully respect Marty but the tone is your own decision. I'm not all that picky. The Bad cat Cougar 50w is my tone. The mid boost and treble control have a lot of effect on the this amp.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

I just spent 2 hours playing the black and orange limited edition LPC that just came out. It's chambered... I will say one thing and leave it at that. Anyone who has a problem with these guitars (the chambering not the colors) needs their heads examined. I know some will take offense to this but I don't care. It was as amazing a Les Paul as I have ever played. I toyed around with the idea of taking it home but with NAMM coming in a few weeks I need so save my pennies. I compared it to a few of the solid body LPs and other LPCs of different years. It was as good or better than all of them.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12253 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I just spent 2 hours playing the black and orange limited edition LPC that just came out. It's chambered... I will say one thing and leave it at that. Anyone who has a problem with these guitars (the chambering not the colors) needs their heads examined. I know some will take offense to this but I don't care. It was as amazing a Les Paul as I have ever played. I toyed around with the idea of taking it home but with NAMM coming in a few weeks I need so save my pennies. I compared it to a few of the solid body LPs and other LPCs of different years. It was as good or better than all of them.

thats good to know cause the white one I played felt like it weighed 5 pounds and when you knocked on the top it was hollow like a hollowbody. sounded like s#%t and felt worse than an epiphone. Anyone who would have bought that guitar would need their head examined. the sad thing is someone has already bought it. Is it sitting in your living room Lanning Razz

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:00 am

I agree. I understand the weight relief and all that but to be sold like that boggles my mind. How many people actually need a weight relieved guitar...very few. It would be one thing if people were asking for it because of the tone or a special light weight show piece but to somehow say it's a cool thing just because rings of BS to me. Maybe I'm old and below 70 IQ type but I still knock on my guitars when I first grab them and I also play electrics acoustically first too.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

You can overanalyze until you're paralyzed all you want. A good guitar is a good guitar regardless of the weight or if it's chambered or not. This is something you see all the time online. You get a bunch of guys whining about it like hags in a beauty parlor. Like somehow by Gibson chambering the body they are cheating you out of $20 worth of wood and should provide you with a baggie full of wood chips.

The question of who would need a light guitar? Um, EVERYONE? Why would you want a heavy guitar? Heavy doesn't = tone. I have played some heavy POSs in my life and I have played some light guitars that are amazing. Playing a heavy guitar doesn't make you a man either. So what's the purpose? If a LPC that's chambered sounds really good, plays really good and feels great overall then why would you not buy it over a solid body version that's good? I think most guys spend too much time believing everything they read on-line.

I read this thread from the beginning and I took into account who said what. Some guys have points and other guys are so full of s#%t they wouldn't know a good guitar if it was jammed up their own asses. I went and found a few models of each at my local shop which is one of the biggest and best Gibson dealers in N. America. I tried the guitars through a Matchless combo as well as a nice Dr. Z. I spent a good few hours to make up my own mind. Pound for pound the newer chambered LPC is every bit as good as any older model or re-issue. They all have their own place in the tonal spectrum and both guitars have their high and low points. If you played one that didn't fit your style, budget or aesthetic likings that's one thing but to slam an expertly made instrument because you didn't like it is total horse sh1t.

I like all sorts of guitars. Gibsons are some of my favorites. I have played good ones and I have played some I thought weren't so good. The ones I thought weren't so good, another player might have thought were amazing. Personal preference is a serious thing but you have to remember, when you say something is a POS who may be reading and making their own decisions based on you instead of making their mind up from putting their hands on said gear.

Maybe debating gear on-line isn't a good thing for me to be getting into because I have strong opinions and know that some people who may doubt you or have an opposing view can barely play let alone tell the difference between an Epiphone and a Gibson if the names weren't on the headstocks.

I meet a lot of players from all ages, experience levels and walks of life. I have never had any issue with them. It's only been online where I see what I can only describe as complete nonsense. Unfortunately I see a lot of it in this thread. This isn't against Chris or Exit13. I know Chris has been around the block and just likes what he likes. That has nothing to do with what I may like or any other guy may like. I just know that I don't base the worth of a purchase based on weight, watts, number of tubes, size of speakers or $$$$... If I play something I like then it's what I will consider a good instrument and I'll tell people about it.

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:27 pm

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

You get a bunch of guys whining about it like hags in a beauty parlor. Like somehow by Gibson chambering the body they are cheating you out of $20 worth of wood and should provide you with a baggie full of wood chips.

Spectacular!!!
Very Happy

Joined: 04 Jun 2012 Posts: 350 Location: South-West Ohio

I've persoanlly never been big on on les pauls, however, I've found there is more variance from guitar to guitar than there is on solid vs chambered. Now granted, I've probably only played 20 or so over the years, most for roughly 10 minutes, but I've played good solid and bad solid, and good cahmbered and bad cmahmbered.

Oddly, I would have to say I found more bad than good when it comes to solid, but I would attribute that to the solids being mostrly older guitars and probably not i the best cared for tip-top shape - that really means something too.

Your favorite pups and an excellany setup would mean more than chambered vs solid I would think. Find one that plays well and seems to resonant well when you play it acoustically, then install your fav pups and get it proper set up and go from there - that would be my advice.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12253 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

played a bunch of les pauls today.

a new thing gibby is doing since they got in trouble with the indian rosewood. they had a new guitar with maple neck but they dyed it dark brown and it look exactly rosewood. Was unique. didnt really bother me. the guitar itself was ok at best. weighed about 6 or 7 pounds.

plays a couple different studios. Im sorry if you own one and like it. everyone likes what they like but the red one I played was like a bitchy hot chick. only pretty on the outside. the guitar played aweful, fret work was terrible. terrible action. I lowered it and then just fretted out and I like high action but this was rediculous.

played another studio , not sure what the name was. it was a new one had no clear coat on it, weighed about 4 pounds, sounded horrible, felt terrible , frets felt wierd and clunky. wasnt as terrible as the wine red studio , this neck and frets were a bit better but the light body made it feel junky. It literally felt like balsa wood.

ive played some really crappy chinese guitar that were much better than most of these that said gibson on them. Its pretty sad considering the price of gibsons. my $200 ibanez plays and sounds nicer than all of their guitars under the $1800 price range.

played a red standard that was decent for 1800 bux.

played a 2010 black lp custom. weighed around the 10 lb area i suppose. was really nice. wieght relieved, played great , sounded good. was really nice guitar over all. This black one was nice and solid. I've played a few heavier ones a few lighter ones in the day. This was one of the better ones overall though. Frets were a bit larger than I remember. Were closer to the ESP large ones which really made me like it. Not as small as the frets on the standard. much better than the white one I played before that felt hollow. They tried to get me to snag this black one at $3400 so we will see what this year brings. Still searching for "the one" . This one was in the running but I gotta believe "the one" is out there.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

The shop out here by me has a lot of special LPCs, a few one offs and all the limited edition ones. Do you want me to go there and take some photos of some for you? They can ship it to the chain in East Windsor Ontario if you want it.

This is the one I played that I liked the most.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12253 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

The shop out here by me has a lot of special LPCs, a few one offs and all the limited edition ones. Do you want me to go there and take some photos of some for you? They can ship it to the chain in East Windsor Ontario if you want it.

This is the one I played that I liked the most.

whenever you go next. no hurry . dont make no special trips or anything. just whenever. that one you showed is beautifiul especially if it had a ebony board. thats very amazing looking though.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

I'll go after new years. Probably on wednesday.

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:18 am

Holy Crap that's nice looking. I'm definitely tuning in for what that store has in house. I think it's awesome to see places that have "not the norm" geets.

Joined: 04 Jun 2012 Posts: 350 Location: South-West Ohio

sounds like in truth you're just not a les paul guy.

nothing wrong with that - me either!