what would you do?

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12255 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

would you say %$#@! it and not go back or would you go stand trial?

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=184806

I think log will be looking for a new front man. hes going on trial in a foreign country out for blood and closure. The laws are different. 10 years with no time off for good behavior.

Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 5465 Location: White Haven,Pa

I think he is stupid for going back there to stand trial.Like you said 10 yrs is a long time to rot in a foreign jail with no chance for parole!!

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:15 am

That dude is pretty foolish IMO

Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 13239 Location: MA

Maybe with a new frontman they will put out a decent record.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:04 am

oh the facepalms. the many many facepalms

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 10593 Location: Canada

I agree he's doing "the right thing"... but I wouldn't do it.

Joined: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 362

He'd want to have a frippin good lawyer since they'll probably want to make an example out of him.

Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 3200 Location: UK

What exactly happened did he actually do anything to this person that died or was it just an accident at the gig ?

Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 13239 Location: MA

It was an accident. The kid did a stage dive and landed on his face. They said Randy threw him down. Just the gist of it.

Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 3200 Location: UK

well i sure hope he's not going there unprepared

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

The US doesn't extradite, if I were him I would just not go anywhere they can get to him and continue my career. I think he's on some mission to go down for "the cause", whatever that is in his own mind. The dude has his own demons to deal with.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:23 am

MZDA wrote:

Maybe with a new frontman they will put out a decent record.

Ashes of the Wake is classic dude! Im sure no one could belt it out quite like Randy IMO.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 14465

He should schedule a sit-down with the US State Department to see what their stance is on the matter, as to whether they will work to ensure that it's a fair trial -OR- if they're willing to lean on the locals if it turns into a Kangaroo Court.

If it was me?
You wouldn't see my ass on a plane to go back in-country. On the one hand, they're probably hoping that he forfeits the bond, they keep the money and avoid the cost of a trial.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12255 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

MZDA wrote:

Maybe with a new frontman they will put out a decent record.

meh. that was silly. willie and mark write most of the lyrics. so doubtful.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:42 am

If I knew in my own heart that I was not responsible for the death of this kid, there's no way I would go back. Things are done differently over there and I would not trust my life to people who probably have some vendetta.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:39 pm

The country should give the kids falmily 1/2 the bail money and call it even, kid faceplanted himself. Nobody should ever be on stage other than the band/crew etc. If you get pushed off stage by a band member/security etc....you deserved it cause your ass shouldn't be up there anyways!!!!!!!!!

on that note.....

Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 13239 Location: MA

BLOODROOT wrote:

MZDA wrote:

Maybe with a new frontman they will put out a decent record.

meh. that was silly. willie and mark write most of the lyrics. so doubtful.

It wasn't really the lyrics that were a bother, it was how they were recorded. The last few albums just didn't have that pop the first 3 had.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

It's odd how they want to place blame on Randy instead of the kid. Getting on stage post-Dime is not safe. Even getting into a mosh-pit comes with it's own problems. Yeah, I know it's not that dangerous as I did it when I was younger too. But this kid practiced unsafe behaviour and died because of it. If you go skydiving and the chute doesn't open properly and you die, does your family sue the pilot who took you up there? Do they sue the chute company for a bad pack? Or is it an inherent risk of skydiving? If I go to a show I assume there is a front of stage fence and big, burly dudes in SECURITY shirts for a reason. Had this kid just stayed in the pit he'd probably be alive today. Randy shouldn't go back to Prague, this is about money and they will make him suffer.

Joined: 21 Sep 2010 Posts: 447

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

It's odd how they want to place blame on Randy instead of the kid. Getting on stage post-Dime is not safe. Even getting into a mosh-pit comes with it's own problems. Yeah, I know it's not that dangerous as I did it when I was younger too. But this kid practiced unsafe behaviour and died because of it. If you go skydiving and the chute doesn't open properly and you die, does your family sue the pilot who took you up there? Do they sue the chute company for a bad pack? Or is it an inherent risk of skydiving? If I go to a show I assume there is a front of stage fence and big, burly dudes in SECURITY shirts for a reason. Had this kid just stayed in the pit he'd probably be alive today. Randy shouldn't go back to Prague, this is about money and they will make him suffer.

Well said man. Its always about money and greed.

Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 5465 Location: White Haven,Pa

I am really glad I seen LOG on this last tour cause if Randy does go back there I don't see him coming back for about 10 years!

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12255 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

Grim Reaper wrote:

The country should give the kids falmily 1/2 the bail money and call it even, kid faceplanted himself. Nobody should ever be on stage other than the band/crew etc. If you get pushed off stage by a band member/security etc....you deserved it cause your ass shouldn't be up there anyways!!!!!!!!!

on that note.....

+1

get the %$#@! off the stage if you aint in the frippin band.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:06 pm

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

It's odd how they want to place blame on Randy instead of the kid. Getting on stage post-Dime is not safe. Even getting into a mosh-pit comes with it's own problems. Yeah, I know it's not that dangerous as I did it when I was younger too. But this kid practiced unsafe behaviour and died because of it. If you go skydiving and the chute doesn't open properly and you die, does your family sue the pilot who took you up there? Do they sue the chute company for a bad pack? Or is it an inherent risk of skydiving? If I go to a show I assume there is a front of stage fence and big, burly dudes in SECURITY shirts for a reason. Had this kid just stayed in the pit he'd probably be alive today. Randy shouldn't go back to Prague, this is about money and they will make him suffer.

And for a little added background info, the kid who died got on stage a total of three times during LOGs set.

Randy is doing an incredibly stand-up thing. The family of the kid should do the same thing. There is an assumption of risk when you willingly do "stupid sh!t". Getting on an elevated platform and jumping head first towards the floor would be one such example of doing this. Doing it three times, well, you're kind of pushing the odds, aren't ya? And if you do fall down and go boom, it is #1 your damn fault. I guess a small bit of responsibility could be put on the venue for not maintaining a safe environment, but you know, the whole mosh\stage dive thing is part of the culture. Jeez, at the last Testament gig I was at they actually had an orderly line of folks waiting to run up on stage and jump the fvck off. Security was helping.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:01 pm

Metal_et_al wrote:

Jeez, at the last Testament gig I was at they actually had an orderly line of folks waiting to run up on stage and jump the fvck off. Security was helping.

Different, that's organized with permission.....

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

There is nothing in this case that shows any intent to commit grave bodily harm at all. Even if Randy did give the kid a push to get him off stage. It's not like he pushed the kid off a train platform as the train was arriving, or out of an airplane without a chute. I don't find any way that Randy can be found guilty at all, even with the limited knowledge that we all have. I mean, why not charge people in the crowd for not catching him? Charge the construction company for using concrete that was too hard and didn't break his fall? Charge the venue's security manager for allowing anyone on stage that didn't belong there. How is this Randy's fault at all? He's focused on entertaining a big crowd, not zero'd in on killing someone Rolling Eyes

If they want to do this the "Just" way, and Randy does return, they should bring him in, state the facts and show how he wasn't at fault for the death of this kid. Exonerate him of the charges and allow the family to chase a civil suit if they feel strongly about their needs.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:03 pm

but this is all going on in czech court right? all we have to go on is our laws. who knows what those yahoos do over there. maybe just a hand on the kid is enough to charge him under their laws. even with no intent to commit bodily harm. he needs to sit his ass tight and get his ducks in a row before goin all honorable hero on it.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 12255 Location: PEORIA ILLINOIS

I would have body checked him off the stage. Nothing pisses me off more than some asshat coming on stage and trampling all over my pedal board and wah, spilling beer all over and then just laughing like a little kid who just s#%t their pants.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

Well, now we know that if any of us play in Prague and someone jumps on stage we can choose to push him off the stage or knock him down and saw his fvking head off because in the end.... It's all the same.