down sizing 100 watt

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:25 pm

i decided i dont need a 100 watt in my bedroom.

im looking at a 50 watt, im looking at the evh, and jet city so far, any recommendations.

i want the 100 watt sound in a 50 watt amp

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:33 pm

I'm currently rocking a 5 watter and it's loud as the hammers of hell.

I have a 50 watt head as well, but there's not much difference in volume between a 50 watt and 100 watt amp; the difference is generally in clean headroom, at least when it comes to tube amps anyway. To get that '100 watt sound' you're talking about, you'd still need to crank it to the stage where it'd blow your drywall out.

You'd be much, much better off with a low-wattage amp for bedroom/home practice. In my experience, that's the best way to get the 100 watt 'sound' at low volume, unless you want to buy an attenuator or something like that.

Just my 'dos pesos'.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:35 pm

a 20 watt comes into play also

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If you dont need 100w, you dont need 50w.

Check out a Blackstar HT5, Orange tiny terror, Egnater Rebel 20 etc.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:52 pm

There is not much preceived volume difference between a 100w and a 50w man. Get a Marshall Class 5 and you already have pedals to boost right?

Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 3197 Location: UK

Go check out rob chappers on youtube he reviewed the evh 50 said it was amazing and he liked it more so that the 100w version.

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kingoflight wrote:

Go check out rob chappers on youtube he reviewed the evh 50 said it was amazing and he liked it more so that the 100w version.

I've played both and the 100w is three channel and the 50w is "three" channel but you can realistically choose between 2 at a time.

For instance. You playing clean and then choose channel two. The increase in volume is tremendous. So, you have to go from clean to channel 3 to keep the same level. They could have kept the shared eq but put a level control on channel 2 so you can level the volume jump. I bet modders are working on this already. If I had the head I would be.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:50 pm

Running two 100 watt heads in stereo thru two cabs in you bedroom ain't working out for you?
Surprised

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Get a JetCity JCA20 and the 2x12 cab. Unless you have a bedroom the size of a small club, it'll be plenty loud enough. And, as a bonus, it's an affordable setup.

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I will again place my vote for the Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister (18 or 36). It's got a built-in power soak, and it sounds great at lower wattages.

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I personally perfer the sound of clean head room over pushed lower wattage amps. just depends on what you want.

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I would recoemend the H&K Tubemeister 18, or the Blackstar HT-20H, and run themthrough a QUALITY 2X12 cab [preferably an oversized cab]. An Orange cab, or a Avatar cab would be my recomendations.

Lower wattage will allow you to turnt eh volume up more and actually get power tube sound distortion, not just the clipping preamp distortion that you're getting with your volume under 5. It makes a BIG differance in your tone.

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orange tiny terror or the baby jcm800 head

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

Hughes and Ketter Tubemeister 36 head.... I'm using one now. It's superior, IMHO, to any small head out there. 36 watts is plenty to use with a band, but it has a built in attenuator. You can use it at 36, 18, 5 and 1 watt. It has a DI out that sounds like a mic'd 412 cab so you can record with it and you don't need to have it hooked up to a speaker cab if you have it hooked into a recording or live sound console. It automatically gives the power section a full load if it detects no speaker cable inserted. It's got reverb and is completely midi controllable. It's 3 channel as well. The clean channel has that super clean hi-fi sound that a lot of fusion guys have. The crunch channel has a more vintage sound and can do AC/DC to 80s metal. The lead channel sounds like an ENGL... It's got s fvck ton of gain and will melt your face. It's auto biasing so you never have to see a tech to switch tubes. It comes with a travel bag and only weighs 30lbs. It's go oversized output transformers so it has the thump of a big head. I have used mine with the band and it's plenty loud... This is the head you should check out! END THREAD/

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what's the budget?

Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 1528 Location: PAris, France

I have the tubemeister 18 and I can confirm what Lanning said about that series: it rocks. Mine is only 2 channels and no reverb, and enough gain to play most everything except perhaps the most abusive swedish oldschool stuff.
And, bonus the redbox is actually good.

The EVH also sounds very good at low volumes but costs twice the price of the H&K.

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The 6505 1x12 combo rocks.

Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 338 Location: cali.

kingoflight wrote:

Go check out rob chappers on youtube he reviewed the evh 50 said it was amazing and he liked it more so that the 100w version.

Chappers and Andertons reviews are the best.
I ended up with 2 different amps that might interest you, one is the Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18w , 18,5,1,0 0 is a line out for recording. Very versatile amp.weighs 15lbs.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TM18H?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=none&gclid=CNvWsczV9bQCFct7QgodvWUA3g

My 5th amp since Black Friday is a keeper if you don't mind a combo.I very much like the DSL 40c After playing it the first time I did not give it enough time. I went to try out a Egnator 40w Since my Bad cat failed to power up after 3 weeks.I needed something to play at bedroom levels and with a drummer. I felt that the 18w was just being pushed a little with a drummer.

Marshall DSL 40c but I guess it depends on what type of music you play.The 40w/20w 20w has good output.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DSL40C?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=none&gclid=CN_jwcvW9bQCFSFyQgod4kIABw

For just a little more orange has the dual terror. I have not played this one but Chappers at Andertons reviews it
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DualTerror?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=none&gclid=CIXL1YvW9bQCFcaDQgodywMAaw

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:51 am

Just checked out the Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36. It's hard to differentiate it from a Marshall with my eyes closed, I am very impressed, I think I will look into one of these and sell the 6505 2x12 and save a little space to boot

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Northwinds wrote:

Just checked out the Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36. It's hard to differentiate it from a Marshall with my eyes closed, I am very impressed, I think I will look into one of these and sell the 6505 2x12 and save a little space to boot

It is different in person, being that I own both the 36 and a JCM800 I can hear a difference. You can get a decent passible mid range sound from it if you really tweak it but it's a modern sounding amp through and through. I would suggest the 36 over the 18 if you can afford it just because it has one more preamp tube and the 36 watts gives you extra headroom for more modern tones at a level where the 18 will start to push in to more vintage power amp breakup. Plus the 36 has midi and reverb. To my ears the gain on my 36 sounds more like an ENGL than anything else. It reminds me of the voicing of my old Fireball without the horrible mid range scoop... The voicing on the 36 has a lot of mid range, even with the mids all the way off it's never quite scooped.

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Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Northwinds wrote:

Just checked out the Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36. It's hard to differentiate it from a Marshall with my eyes closed, I am very impressed, I think I will look into one of these and sell the 6505 2x12 and save a little space to boot

It is different in person, being that I own both the 36 and a JCM800 I can hear a difference. You can get a decent passible mid range sound from it if you really tweak it but it's a modern sounding amp through and through. I would suggest the 36 over the 18 if you can afford it just because it has one more preamp tube and the 36 watts gives you extra headroom for more modern tones at a level where the 18 will start to push in to more vintage power amp breakup. Plus the 36 has midi and reverb. To my ears the gain on my 36 sounds more like an ENGL than anything else. It reminds me of the voicing of my old Fireball without the horrible mid range scoop... The voicing on the 36 has a lot of mid range, even with the mids all the way off it's never quite scooped.

Depending on what you want to spend. I was at my max spending level at $599 and went with the DSL 40c wich ended up costing an additional $30 with a 10% discount. The 36w definitely looks like a more aggressive amp with lots of features with more modern sound to it. You can't beat the size either. I found for me the Marshall was what I wanted all along. I guess putting a limit on spending is a bad idea when it comes to compromising your tone.
Lanning and Northwind you both have way more experience than I do.

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:52 pm

ibmorjamn wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Northwinds wrote:

Just checked out the Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36. It's hard to differentiate it from a Marshall with my eyes closed, I am very impressed, I think I will look into one of these and sell the 6505 2x12 and save a little space to boot

It is different in person, being that I own both the 36 and a JCM800 I can hear a difference. You can get a decent passible mid range sound from it if you really tweak it but it's a modern sounding amp through and through. I would suggest the 36 over the 18 if you can afford it just because it has one more preamp tube and the 36 watts gives you extra headroom for more modern tones at a level where the 18 will start to push in to more vintage power amp breakup. Plus the 36 has midi and reverb. To my ears the gain on my 36 sounds more like an ENGL than anything else. It reminds me of the voicing of my old Fireball without the horrible mid range scoop... The voicing on the 36 has a lot of mid range, even with the mids all the way off it's never quite scooped.

Depending on what you want to spend. I was at my max spending level at $599 and went with the DSL 40c wich ended up costing an additional $30 with a 10% discount. The 36w definitely looks like a more aggressive amp with lots of features with more modern sound to it. You can't beat the size either. I found for me the Marshall was what I wanted all along. I guess putting a limit on spending is a bad idea when it comes to compromising your tone.
Lanning and Northwind you both have way more experience than I do.

I had a JCM2000DSL 100w head, fabulous amp

Lanning, I would get the 36, the 18 would not quite cover what I need. The H&K sounded more like the DSL, not a 800, this is what I was comparing it to

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Northwinds wrote:

ibmorjamn wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Northwinds wrote:

Just checked out the Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 36. It's hard to differentiate it from a Marshall with my eyes closed, I am very impressed, I think I will look into one of these and sell the 6505 2x12 and save a little space to boot

It is different in person, being that I own both the 36 and a JCM800 I can hear a difference. You can get a decent passible mid range sound from it if you really tweak it but it's a modern sounding amp through and through. I would suggest the 36 over the 18 if you can afford it just because it has one more preamp tube and the 36 watts gives you extra headroom for more modern tones at a level where the 18 will start to push in to more vintage power amp breakup. Plus the 36 has midi and reverb. To my ears the gain on my 36 sounds more like an ENGL than anything else. It reminds me of the voicing of my old Fireball without the horrible mid range scoop... The voicing on the 36 has a lot of mid range, even with the mids all the way off it's never quite scooped.

Depending on what you want to spend. I was at my max spending level at $599 and went with the DSL 40c wich ended up costing an additional $30 with a 10% discount. The 36w definitely looks like a more aggressive amp with lots of features with more modern sound to it. You can't beat the size either. I found for me the Marshall was what I wanted all along. I guess putting a limit on spending is a bad idea when it comes to compromising your tone.
Lanning and Northwind you both have way more experience than I do.

I had a JCM2000DSL 100w head, fabulous amp

Lanning, I would get the 36, the 18 would not quite cover what I need. The H&K sounded more like the DSL, not a 800, this is what I was comparing it to

I can't comment there as I haven't played a DSL in like 8 years. I just know it sounds like my old ENGL Fireball 60 but has better mids.

Yes, if budget is an issue though I would get the 18 before I got most of the other small amps out there. I'm really glad I found this amp. It came as a recommendation from a guy I know that works at my local shop. I ingored him and bought the 5150 mini, but after a week of owning it and trying the Tubemiester I could see the H&K was the superior amp.

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bassmantim71 wrote:

Running two 100 watt heads in stereo thru two cabs in you bedroom ain't working out for you?
Surprised

guilty lol!

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Jim6 wrote:

Get a JetCity JCA20 and the 2x12 cab. Unless you have a bedroom the size of a small club, it'll be plenty loud enough. And, as a bonus, it's an affordable setup.

RIGHT ON BROTHA JIM! HE speaks the truth here Rev. Like I said, can't beat the JC for the bang for the buck.

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ScottMexico wrote:

I will again place my vote for the Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister (18 or 36). It's got a built-in power soak, and it sounds great at lower wattages.

This

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:34 am

how about a Vox nighttrain???

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All ways seems like I miss all the good deals ! Check it out !
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