Kemper has finally done it!

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3 Rack space Kemper with a 600 watt class D power amp... I am finally sold. Checking it out at NAMM and putting in my order. I can rack it into our in-ear rig, run a speaker line to a cab on stage for stage sound and a line into the system for in-ear and FOH. No more bullsh1t, no more tubes, no more trucking extra gear around. THANK YOU KEMPER!

http://www.skatingdog.com/?p=392

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You get any idea on the price ?

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never mind looking at the link now Very Happy

cheap as well

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:20 pm

Can the copied tones be emailed like the. Fractal patches and such?

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kingoflight wrote:

You get any idea on the price ?

The powered rack will be $2750... It's less than what I paid for my JCM800 so for what it does it's a bargain. I may actually consider selling the JCM when I get this.

lordkronos187 wrote:

Can the copied tones be emailed like the. Fractal patches and such?

Yes, there is a huge database of tones you can upload.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:26 pm

That settles it. Saving for this begins now.

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That's badass for sure.

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Killer stuff. Kemper Power Rack. Sweet .

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BradWorld wrote:

Killer stuff. Kemper Power Rack. Sweet .

You'll have to come with me to go check it out and be the voice of reason before I put in my order. That and Andrea will be there to convince so having you there will help lol... The good thing is I have a local Kemper dealer but I want to place my order at the show. Early bird gets the damn worm! They said they will have it with a bunch of different cabs to try it though.

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Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

BradWorld wrote:

Killer stuff. Kemper Power Rack. Sweet .

You'll have to come with me to go check it out and be the voice of reason before I put in my order. That and Andrea will be there to convince so having you there will help lol... The good thing is I have a local Kemper dealer but I want to place my order at the show. Early bird gets the damn worm! They said they will have it with a bunch of different cabs to try it though.

Will do. But I already know the kemper sounds killer. Its just in a form factor now that doesnt look like a 1950's gieger counter.

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:21 am

Keep me posted on when you plan on going to check it out.

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BradWorld wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

BradWorld wrote:

Killer stuff. Kemper Power Rack. Sweet .

You'll have to come with me to go check it out and be the voice of reason before I put in my order. That and Andrea will be there to convince so having you there will help lol... The good thing is I have a local Kemper dealer but I want to place my order at the show. Early bird gets the damn worm! They said they will have it with a bunch of different cabs to try it though.

Will do. But I already know the kemper sounds killer. Its just in a form factor now that doesnt look like a 1950's gieger counter.

I just need you there as support so the credit card comes out and does its job instead of the other alternative.... She said it seemed like the right piece of gear to invest in, but having you and Brian there to agree will just nail it home lol

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i dunno I wonder if it can take the abuse I give my marshalls .I mean no ones road tested it against abuse or voltage spikes or time its self.will it last 50 years like a marshall?Is it really the be all amp to end amps?And if it is that great how many companys are going to copy this thing?Hard to say I think ill hold out a couple years and see if this really changes the amp world before selling off my precious heads cause i know they are tanks.Ive seen alot of gear"the last thing ul ever need"come and go.Glad ur getting one lanning maybe give us a better perspective on it.After uv had it for a year(if)And are still using it and saying its great then ill make an effort to go find one to check out.But really between my pedals my marshalls I can already get whatever sound I need to pull off what im doing so im good for now.Let us know how it is. Wink

I believe if ur a great player u can play through almost any decent amp and sound good.these are just tools to make music.
My biggest worry is anything ive had with a digital screen has not lasted more than 5 years before crapping out or having some malfunction or program glitch. Rolling Eyes

I had a bunch of proccesors,ada,quadraverb,digiteck,pedals ect back in the 80s,90s now i have a whole shelf of broken proccesors half of which the screens just quit working.computer stuff just doesnt take a beating or heat!especially if a hard drives involved!I mean think about your computers hard drive and how often u replace that.and how long it would last being banged around?And what about if your at live or gig in a hot climate?I live in az doing outdoor gigs in the summer in the sun 120 outside.My last summer gig U could have cooked an egg on the top of my amp.These are all things I would consider before buying this thing.
I could see it for a nice cool home studio but for the road id be a little leary.ASK them if a 5 year warranty is possible and look at thier face lol

It really does look great and all but we really wont know till a year or 2 passes and people have time to bitch about its hangups.hell i remember when axe effects came out everyone was like best thing ever last thing ul ever need then the problems came outta the woodwork.

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THat is the best route they could have taken with this. I am definately more intrigued than ever by this!

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RobBouchardDeanml wrote:

i dunno I wonder if it can take the abuse I give my marshalls .I mean no ones road tested it against abuse or voltage spikes or time its self.will it last 50 years like a marshall?Is it really the be all amp to end amps?And if it is that great how many companys are going to copy this thing?Hard to say I think ill hold out a couple years and see if this really changes the amp world before selling off my precious heads cause i know they are tanks.Ive seen alot of gear"the last thing ul ever need"come and go.Glad ur getting one lanning maybe give us a better perspective on it.After uv had it for a year(if)And are still using it and saying its great then ill make an effort to go find one to check out.But really between my pedals my marshalls I can already get whatever sound I need to pull off what im doing so im good for now.Let us know how it is. Wink

I believe if ur a great player u can play through almost any decent amp and sound good.these are just tools to make music.
My biggest worry is anything ive had with a digital screen has not lasted more than 5 years before crapping out or having some malfunction or program glitch. Rolling Eyes

I had a bunch of proccesors,ada,quadraverb,digiteck,pedals ect back in the 80s,90s now i have a whole shelf of broken proccesors half of which the screens just quit working.computer stuff just doesnt take a beating or heat!especially if a hard drives involved!I mean think about your computers hard drive and how often u replace that.and how long it would last being banged around?And what about if your at live or gig in a hot climate?I live in az doing outdoor gigs in the summer in the sun 120 outside.My last summer gig U could have cooked an egg on the top of my amp.These are all things I would consider before buying this thing.
I could see it for a nice cool home studio but for the road id be a little leary.ASK them if a 5 year warranty is possible and look at thier face lol

It really does look great and all but we really wont know till a year or 2 passes and people have time to bitch about its hangups.hell i remember when axe effects came out everyone was like best thing ever last thing ul ever need then the problems came outta the woodwork.

I know you're a purist. You like what you use and no one is going to try and tell you different. If you read my reasons for wanting this (integration with our in-ear rig, being able to profile some really amazing gear that would be otherwise out of my grasp) then you may understand my reasons for wanting it. It's got a class D SS poweramp. That thing will run forever. As far as the main unit and its digital screen? I dunno, I haven't gigged one, but the Space Shuttle took digital screens to outter space and I personally used equipment with digital screens in Iraq... Dare I say it was even hotter than AZ for a longer period of time... I have not had any issues. You know what else? If after a few weeks of using it, it doesn't work out? I'LL RETURN IT, so no drama about spending the money to see how well it will work. So your concerns are just personal to you and don't really bother me.

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usually I wouldnt do this but I'm going to have to agree with rob. Maybe because we are both old school. A lot of gear today are very fragile. You have to really baby them. I'm sure you can get a shock rack for the kemper or axe fx though. There are so many pros and cons for both digital and analog gear. you can never win an argument. you just have to do whats right for your own quest for tone and gear set up at a gig. I am a purist tried and true and will argue to the death that nothing beats a good tube amp and or good analog pedals. At the same time though I am a hypocrite cause I love digital delay over analog. I love digital recording capabilities, but miss analog tape for guitars. The older I get the lazier I get and a digital shitbox looks tasty just to take a lid off of a rack and plug into the P.A snake at a gig. So for this and the in ear capabilities I agree with Lanning. The kemper and axe fx both even replicate alot of amps good enough to pass for real amps mic'd for recordings and at most clubs the sound guy couldnt dial a metalzone any better than a real amp tone. I still cant get myself to get one though, but everyday I think about it. Again, all in all its up to each individual. We cant tell each other what is best for them only for yourself. whatever we buy, we have to live with.

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I look at it this way. The AxeFx has proven totally tour worthy by bands the world over. The Kemper product have done the same in in a shorter period of time but have still proven worthy. And let's not forget all the Rocktron Chameleons and ADA MP-1s out there still ripping out tunes night after night in dude's rigs. I agree that tube heads are awesome but I have had more problems with tube heads blowing or farting out due to road use than any other single piece of gear, so there is an argument for the digital gear. Of course if you can't take care of your gear than you're better off not getting a setup like the Kemper. I have a setup that is begging for an option like this.

The other thing is the new Kemper is POWERED! So it's not just going DI to a PA, I'll still run my cab on stage for a good stage sound. The other thing is I'm not giving up options by getting the Kemper. I still have a JCM800 and a Hughes and Kettner Tubemeister 36. If anything I'm adding options and making things even easier for me to be able to get my sound in any given situation. With the Kemper powered rack I can even profile/model my JCM800 and H&K for yet ANOTHER option.

For Rob and Chris, this setup has no bearing, so I can imagine how you wouldn't want to get something like that. Also, when you're planning a tour and you're considering how much room you have for gear and you're trying to save money by slimming down everything to only the necessities this way to go is amazing.

Our bassist's head is rack mounted, my setup will be rack mounted... We can leave our cabs at home and have the club back-line or borrow from the other bands on the bill... Basically, except for drums and a few guitar cases the whole band is in one case and run into our in-ear system. It doesn't get any easier than this.

If the picture I just painted here doesn't make sense to you or seems pointless then this kind of setup just isn't for you....

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:36 am

i want one because i want access to all the tone profiles that i think sound dead on to the originals.

i will probably be a home jammer for most of the rest of my life. i hope i can gig some local bars once in a while in the future but i have no delusions. i wont be a rockstar. or even a touring musician. *shrug* id be very surprised if i wouldnt be able to make something like this last decades

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Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I look at it this way. The AxeFx has proven totally tour worthy by bands the world over. The Kemper product have done the same in in a shorter period of time but have still proven worthy. And let's not forget all the Rocktron Chameleons and ADA MP-1s out there still ripping out tunes night after night in dude's rigs. I agree that tube heads are awesome but I have had more problems with tube heads blowing or farting out due to road use than any other single piece of gear, so there is an argument for the digital gear. Of course if you can't take care of your gear than you're better off not getting a setup like the Kemper. I have a setup that is begging for an option like this.

The other thing is the new Kemper is POWERED! So it's not just going DI to a PA, I'll still run my cab on stage for a good stage sound. The other thing is I'm not giving up options by getting the Kemper. I still have a JCM800 and a Hughes and Kettner Tubemeister 36. If anything I'm adding options and making things even easier for me to be able to get my sound in any given situation. With the Kemper powered rack I can even profile/model my JCM800 and H&K for yet ANOTHER option.

For Rob and Chris, this setup has no bearing, so I can imagine how you wouldn't want to get something like that. Also, when you're planning a tour and you're considering how much room you have for gear and you're trying to save money by slimming down everything to only the necessities this way to go is amazing.

Our bassist's head is rack mounted, my setup will be rack mounted... We can leave our cabs at home and have the club back-line or borrow from the other bands on the bill... Basically, except for drums and a few guitar cases the whole band is in one case and run into our in-ear system. It doesn't get any easier than this.

If the picture I just painted here doesn't make sense to you or seems pointless then this kind of setup just isn't for you....

I wasnt arguing one way or another.
I have a funny story about backline gear. The rock radio station here has a christmas party every year with multiple bands and the last 2 being a new up and coming signed band. Usually some new bands with a couple hits playing on regular rotation. The year non point was real popular with "bullet with a name on it" and the remake of "coming in the air tonight" they headlined the christmas party. Was supposed to fly in and play on backline equipment. Someone at the radio station overlooked this small detail. The band had no gear to play on. Last band came on, played and roadies tore the stage down and cleared it off. Non points people were like "wheres the backline" became this huge mess. band went on really late, No one would loan them their gear. the opening non signed local act came to the rescue. their drummer is one the hugest most hated asshat in the area. The band basically made him loan his drums cause he didnt want to. Grown man litterally threw a temper tantrum and cried over it. ahahahah. Every show since then though, you bet your ass has went on without a hitch.

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Everybody's wants are different, I have a friend that has to have every single new tech gadget or game console he always has a reason why his want is justified.

Your a gear whore, we all know it. You get super excited about the new what ever and have to have it, claim its the best widget, amp guitar or whatever that has been made and your getting it.
This one is to save space on a four or five date "tour" with a band playing less than 25 shows a year.

Lanning if you want the gear and can afford it just buy it. But try not to be so pretentious when someone may not share your immediate want for the widget of the day.

I do about 50 -75 gigs a year... would it be nice yes, do I need it no
And at $2700 I dont see the cost effectiveness where I ever would.

With that said, I hope it does work for ya and becomes cost effective for you real soon.

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Well, it's not a matter of being a "widget". High end modelers aren't widgets and actually bring a lot of things to the table.

-For starters, the most expensive one, the AxeII, is still less expensive than a rig starting from scratch. For the price of an axe II I get a mesa head aaaaand that's it. (and not even the most expensive ones, no mark V for me) In the US reverse that for Engl, say.
-Portability. No brainer here.
-No need for a treated room, an array of microphones etc for recording.

That's for the pros. For the guys like me for are just hobbyists, they're a godsend. Not even taliing about quality night recording, just the fact that you set it up on your desk and you're done. An analog rig takes an afwul share of the real estate in small apartments.

The Kemper is a good product and the form factor was one of the things that made me go axeII in the first place.
those of us with money to burn on equipment do not necssarily spend in on "widget", we maybe do it because the equipment is good...and we actually tried it to talk about it.

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Does the kemper come loader with amps already? Seems pointless to me that I would buy the kemper when I only have one head o profile (my JVM).

I must be missing something because these have reached high popularity.

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'87 sherwood wrote:

Does the kemper come loader with amps already? Seems pointless to me that I would buy the kemper when I only have one head o profile (my JVM).

I must be missing something because these have reached high popularity.

They might not have any when you buy it, but you can download loads off their website.

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Rlee wrote:

Lanning if you want the gear and can afford it just buy it. But try not to be so pretentious when someone may not share your immediate want for the widget of the day.

I think your perception comes from another space of reality. Laughing

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My biggest concern is it IS powered. The last thing I'd want. When something goes wrong with it and it's not cost effective to fix it, I'd loose both units. It was like buying a DVD built into a TV. 4 years later the DVD gives out, but the TV is fine for another 10... and besides, you'd want a BluRay now.

And when the new improved version comes out a few years from now, the next serious upgrade in tone and convenience, you loose everything to have to buy it all again, and your whole rig has depreciated so much!

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Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Rlee wrote:

Lanning if you want the gear and can afford it just buy it. But try not to be so pretentious when someone may not share your immediate want for the widget of the day.

I think your perception comes from another space of reality. Laughing

Of this, I have no doubt you are correct,, Laughing

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Armitage wrote:

My biggest concern is it IS powered. The last thing I'd want.

Both powered and unpowered versions will be available as rack. Unpowered is same price as the old unit.

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Being that they are retrofitting existing units with the power section I am sure that means it is very serviceable by a qualified tech. If it does go down (it's SS so the likelihood is very low) you just have the unit repaired or replaced. I'm willing to bet their customer service is going to be top notch considering their clients. I could be wrong though but it's worth the risk to me.

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4 years from now when the DSP chip is no longer available, it won't matter how good their service is...

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Armitage wrote:

4 years from now when the DSP chip is no longer available, it won't matter how good their service is...

Now come on.... do you think Lanning will have this in 4 years? Laughing

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Armitage wrote:

4 years from now when the DSP chip is no longer available, it won't matter how good their service is...

I guess you know better than the company that makes these, who also happen to make Virus synths which are one of the most respected out there. They didn't make a name in the industry from producing crap.

I guess what I can do though, next time I have to make a big purchase like this is just PM you and ask you it it's OK to buy this so you don't troll my threads with nonsense like this. I think you have done this in just about every gear thread I have posted. At least I know I can expect it. Laughing

I just got back from the dealer. The Kemper Powerhead is paid for in full. They are going to work on getting me one as soon as it comes out in a few weeks. Now the excited waiting period starts. At least I get to play one in a few days Laughing

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I'm not saying it's crap by any stretch, I bet it kicks ass, and I’m sure the manufacturer knows the chip will be replaced in a few years and impossible to source, it’s nothing new. Just buy a new one...

And like all the other things you argued were perfect and I pointed out would soon be replaced by something better... Yet you argued again they were perfect, only to sell it soon after for one reason or the other… i.e. not perfect.

I'm sorry you're so predictable and insecure, but I can't do anything about that.

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This amp satisfies a current need, and some day, sooner or later something else will come out that will scratch another itch and I'll change to that. By you saying I'm insecure because I change gear as I see fit, I have a lot of doubt that you even have the interpersonal skills to have this conversation. The craziest part is I'm talking gear, yet up until now I have refrained from personal attacks. Now since you have resorted to making it about me, I'll go a head and stoop for a second. You're a huge moron and no amount of knowledge can make up for your lack of decency. If you don't like how I change gear or what I'm into then do us both a favor.

STOP POSTING IN MY THREADS UNLESS YOU LIKE BEING LABELED A TROLL....

You said you can predict that I will change gear? OK I'll accept that. I can also predict something. You will post and be a complete jerkoff. One of those things has to do with playing and that's what this forum is about. The other is about being a jerkoff and, well I think you can go elsewhere to do that.

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Sorry, your personal comments go way back. Even the sarcastic comments in you previous post. You act like everyones out to get you and that it's OK for you to post your ever changing opinion, but no one else can. The fact you keep putting your foot in your mouth arguing with me, then proving me right is hilarious. I don't troll you, you just make comments that just need a factual response. If you can't figure that parts get improved and phased out, that's not my problem, or the industries, it's just you.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:43 am

Mommy! Daddy! Stop it , you're ruining my birthday!

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Because you want another piece of gear doesn't mean the old one is bad. Or even that the new one is better. And that's also valid for girls.

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Armitage wrote:

Sorry, your personal comments go way back. Even the sarcastic comments in you previous post. You act like everyones out to get you and that it's OK for you to post your ever changing opinion, but no one else can. The fact you keep putting your foot in your mouth arguing with me, then proving me right is hilarious. I don't troll you, you just make comments that just need a factual response. If you can't figure that parts get improved and phased out, that's not my problem, or the industries, it's just you.

Actually no I don't. I don't mind anyone's opinion when it's about gear. As soon as you make it about me then it's personal. I don't go in your threads and just come after your personal thoughts. I don't care if people change their opinion of gear. You're delusion is fogging your ability to have a normal conversation about gear. No one is out to get me here. I don't feel personally affected in real life because of comments from strangers on a fvcking guitar forum with exception of your moronic banter that is relentless. You're like a thread bully. Get over yourself you troll. I don't live in the damn matrix. I'm merely pointing out that you have nothing better to do than troll me. I say what's on my mind and generally it's fine, only when you post is there a problem. You are a troll. I talk about gear and you make it about my character. I seriously doubt you have a clue at this point. You think I'm wrong and that's fine.

I know of a very well respected member of this forum that doesn't even post here anymore mainly because of you. I'm starting to feel the same way. If this were real life I could confront you face to face, but since it's just nonsense where you can post your snide little troll remarks from the safety of your troll lab then I just have to resort to ignoring everything you say from now on. I can't respect what you say, or your views. Hell I don't even know if you can play a guitar at all. Why I even bother with you is beyond me. Maybe it was out of boredom, but that has to end. I have zero respect for you.

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Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

RobBouchardDeanml wrote:

i dunno I wonder if it can take the abuse I give my marshalls .I mean no ones road tested it against abuse or voltage spikes or time its self.will it last 50 years like a marshall?Is it really the be all amp to end amps?And if it is that great how many companys are going to copy this thing?Hard to say I think ill hold out a couple years and see if this really changes the amp world before selling off my precious heads cause i know they are tanks.Ive seen alot of gear"the last thing ul ever need"come and go.Glad ur getting one lanning maybe give us a better perspective on it.After uv had it for a year(if)And are still using it and saying its great then ill make an effort to go find one to check out.But really between my pedals my marshalls I can already get whatever sound I need to pull off what im doing so im good for now.Let us know how it is. Wink

I believe if ur a great player u can play through almost any decent amp and sound good.these are just tools to make music.
My biggest worry is anything ive had with a digital screen has not lasted more than 5 years before crapping out or having some malfunction or program glitch. Rolling Eyes

I had a bunch of proccesors,ada,quadraverb,digiteck,pedals ect back in the 80s,90s now i have a whole shelf of broken proccesors half of which the screens just quit working.computer stuff just doesnt take a beating or heat!especially if a hard drives involved!I mean think about your computers hard drive and how often u replace that.and how long it would last being banged around?And what about if your at live or gig in a hot climate?I live in az doing outdoor gigs in the summer in the sun 120 outside.My last summer gig U could have cooked an egg on the top of my amp.These are all things I would consider before buying this thing.
I could see it for a nice cool home studio but for the road id be a little leary.ASK them if a 5 year warranty is possible and look at thier face lol

It really does look great and all but we really wont know till a year or 2 passes and people have time to bitch about its hangups.hell i remember when axe effects came out everyone was like best thing ever last thing ul ever need then the problems came outta the woodwork.

I know you're a purist. You like what you use and no one is going to try and tell you different. If you read my reasons for wanting this (integration with our in-ear rig, being able to profile some really amazing gear that would be otherwise out of my grasp) then you may understand my reasons for wanting it. It's got a class D SS poweramp. That thing will run forever. As far as the main unit and its digital screen? I dunno, I haven't gigged one, but the Space Shuttle took digital screens to outter space and I personally used equipment with digital screens in Iraq... Dare I say it was even hotter than AZ for a longer period of time... I have not had any issues. You know what else? If after a few weeks of using it, it doesn't work out? I'LL RETURN IT, so no drama about spending the money to see how well it will work. So your concerns are just personal to you and don't really bother me.

well let us know what u think its alota dough thats probably why im skeptical.although technology has gotten much better since the 90s im sure you will put it to the test and give us a review certainly seems awesome.On the other hand Im playing 50 plus shows a year some times 2 to 3 times a week using one Marshall halfstack and I can hear myself fine.I dont see why anyone needs an in ear monitor unless ur playing like ozzfest but to each his own I guess.I dunno know but if i had the kemper id probably just sample my marshall cause its giving me the tone I want already but thats what i like I guess.
As far as going on the road with no cabs and relying on a backline or PA there's no way in hell id do that.Ive seen a grip of dudes with little 30 watt amps try to play shows without the sound guy giving them proper monitors or having blown monitors or even worse no monitors!Having no onstage speaker would suck balls!plus even with good house support the people in the front 4 rows wont be able to hear u only the people far enough back to hear the side speakers will.In a club some onstage volume is a must!Id bring at least one cab for club gigs last I checked you are playing clubs right?I play clubs and everywhere else 1 to 3 times a week and I can tell you my best monitor has always been my cab, Wink

And just for the record playing gigs with a low wattage amp is ridiculous I cant even tell you how many shows ive played where if i did not have my 100 watt head I wouldn't have been heard at all!Some small clubs don't even mic u at all or the soundman is a drummer or bass player and just kills the guitar in the mix.I always ask people can u hear the guitar?if they say no ill turn around and crank my amp that s#%t pisses me off.That happens rarely but does happen.And in a club my amp is more than loud enough!

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Here is Andy Sneap's review...

http://youtu.be/Nb1zI6pEu0A

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i could hear the difference between the original and the kemper.it was pretty accurate though

u can really hear the difference on this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7GexV_TF0

its pretty cool but they are not there yet.The evh i couldent tell the difference but the marshall i could.maybe it models different amps better than others.
find the spot on the original recorded tone and on the kemper where hes playing the same thing then jump back and forth and ul hear it.its a tiny difference but its there.its impressive none the less.I bet theres some killer amp tones online on thier website.Im very interested to have this in my home studio for recording.live though ill keep using my amp.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:51 pm

RobBouchardDeanml wrote:

i could hear the difference between the original and the kemper.it was pretty accurate though

Really? What was different? I havent been able to tell the difference on a single profile example.

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 5603 Location: phoenix az.

the original is a little more crisp and the lows are a little warmer

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:19 pm

Word. Still , I would be even more forgiving of things like that if I could hear it. But thats me. The library of "close enough" tones at my fingertips is worth it alone to me. Maybe someday I can track down jon schaffer and profile his Larry Dino Very Happy

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 10593 Location: Canada

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

You are a troll.

And where am I trolling? I comment that I wouldn't want the Kemper with the amp added for a very valid reason and you start stamping your little feet like a five year old. Heck, it's other people calling you names in this thread, not me.

Welcome to the Internet.

Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 797 Location: D.C. Metro

How did this devolve into an argument? Is it silly to claim a piece of gear you've never even been in the same room with let alone tried is the greatest thing since sliced bread? Sure, but no sillier than people who get personally insulted when you do.

Looks like a cool piece of gear though, I'd love to mess around with one.

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 10593 Location: Canada

I'm sure it's world class and would mind picking one up to try.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

Das Brutalheimmer wrote:

How did this devolve into an argument? Is it silly to claim a piece of gear you've never even been in the same room with let alone tried is the greatest thing since sliced bread? Sure, but no sillier than people who get personally insulted when you do.

Looks like a cool piece of gear though, I'd love to mess around with one.

The kicker here. NO ONE has claimed this to be the best gear at all... I only said it's great for my needs and wants. I never said it was perfect. The title of this thread insinuated that this company finally came through on something they have been talking about since last NAMM and I was happy about it so I finally bought one. A certain other nincompoop decided to take it in another direction because that's all he's good for.

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 10593 Location: Canada

Constant name calling, what class. I'm sorry I keep proving you wrong, I can't help it. And while you haven't called the Kemper perfect, (probably the best out there though), you did argue the Eleven Rack was... and you disagreed whether the Axe/FX was better... then you bought an Axe and argued IT was perfect... even though I told you a newer better one was coming out, it was hilarious... then you sold it... because it wasn't perfect (as great as it is too).

And lets get this straight, you're all upset because I don't want a Kemper with the amp built in... just the rack alone version, wow. Why do you care what I want? Why can't I have a different opinion then you?

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

Armitage wrote:

Constant name calling, what class. I'm sorry I keep proving you wrong, I can't help it. And while you haven't called the Kemper perfect, (probably the best out there though), you did argue the Axe/Fx was... even though I told you a newer better one was coming out, it was hilarious... then you sold it... because it wasn't perfect (as great as it is too).

I sold it because I wanted to try something else. It's funny you think you have an idea as to why I buy or sell anything. Yes I am a class act. I just don't care to be nice to you or try to play nice with you for the sake of conversation on this forum. You haven't proven anything more than you have nothing better to do than get your kicks out of spinning my threads into nonsense. The reality here is you have ZERO effect on what I buy or don't buy and you have ZERO effect on what I play or don't play. You're really good and repeating s#%t you have read or heard elsewhere. You have a large collection of guitars that you think somehow gives you the right to talk down to other people on here. I know I'm a nobody when it comes to the industry yet I really try my hardest to do the best I can to make something for myself with music. You have no soul, no heart and there is no kindness in your words. This is why I talk to you the way I do. You are a true a$$hole and I don't care if anyone thinks less of me for saying it. You prove it time and time again. Here on this forum there are 3-4 guys who's anuses are bent on talking sh1t to me. That's fine because you represent the half of a percent that don't matter around here. (Rob I'm not including you here so don't worry if you think that's pointed at you because it's not)...

You even type in all yellow... What's the point of that? Are you color blind? Do you do it because you're so self centered you need to make sure everyone knows when the all-mighty Armitage is posting? God dude, get over yourself already. I love life, love music and love playing music. I love chatting about gear. That's my reason for even posting in here. I enjoy getting excited when the new cool gear comes out. I embrace change and evolve with current trends. You are completely the opposite and you have no grasp on understanding where I'm coming from. You act like one of these little worms that loves to be right and prove others wrong. It's beyond annoying and it gets tiring to even have a discussion with you. I couldn't imagine trying to know you in real life. I hope that I NEVER run across your path.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:48 am

If its getting tiring I can get you some wicked strong tea. Dont stop now. Im having a blast. Smile

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 10593 Location: Canada

I'm not here to argue with the little guy, just straighten out his B.S. and whining. He's amazing!

Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 2017

These things, AxeFX, and all the digital stuff have no soul or personality. But I guess it matches most of the rock/metal of today which lacks exactly the same things...

Joe Walsh said it best, "I'm an analog man!"
I don't need any gear I need to "program" past anything but turning a few knobs and plugging in a guitar.

I haven't seen any benefit to these kinds of things in regards to better music or innovation in guitar tone/playing, which is what music needs most nowdays IMO.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:48 am

hellboundinFTworthTX wrote:

These things, AxeFX, and all the digital stuff have no soul or personality. But I guess it matches most of the rock/metal of today which lacks exactly the same things...

Joe Walsh said it best, "I'm an analog man!"
I don't need any gear I need to "program" past anything but turning a few knobs and plugging in a guitar.

I haven't seen any benefit to these kinds of things in regards to better music or innovation in guitar tone/playing, which is what music needs most nowdays IMO.

I dunno man. Sneaps interview was pretty compelling.

@armyguy, I dont know about that either, this started with a false acusation by you which was followed by him defnding himself followed by further attack/defense/attack/ defense arguing with personal jabs and name calling eventually showing up. Defending oneself is hardly bs or whining,. You certainly seem to enjoy continuing a pointless argument because everyone KNOWS that right or wrong lanning WILL defend himself when attacked. And youre exploiting that for what? Increased post count?

Joined: 20 Dec 2007 Posts: 4913 Location: Brooklyn, NY

Jesus guys, this topic really just turned into a war...

We're all angry at Lanning for having deeper pockets. Laughing

On a serious note, if this thing is as good as it seems, some day I may just give up on tubes and switch over.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:32 am

I still have my Chameleon mentioned way up at the top of the thread. Damn good rack mount processor.
BIG props for even knowing what that thing is. Screen is a little cloudy but it's hanging in there.

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Lord. What false accusation?

Joined: 06 Jul 2011 Posts: 122

Not since high school have I been witness to such an interaction. And over a stupid piece of gear. IF YOU WANT IT, BUY IT.....you do not have to defend your purchases to anyone (except maybe the wife)...I don't recall Lanning asking for opinions, he simply stated that he found his 'wet-dream' gear for this year.

And to those who find this decision foolish, go earn your own money and waste it as you see fit....you deserve to spend (waste) your spare-change however you like.

That being said opinions and debate on usefulness, suitability, effectiveness of a given piece of gear is great - helps interested parties sort out what might work for them. But one has to wonder: Why would one spend extra-ordinary money to try sound like someone else? The fact that some of our most admired players crafted their own unique sounds (via gear and technique) is additional testimony to the greatness they posses as musicians. Anyone who thinks that a modeller that can capture any given signature sound will make YOU a more unique player is likely misguided.

@Hellbound (the fort was my old stompin' ground):You said it best - All this innovation in technology seems to result in a vacuum of innovation where the art (playing) is concerned....or to borrow from Mr. Zappa: "shut-up and play yer guitar".

But really, a pissing contest on a forum board..., jezuz krispy, I would have expected a higher level quality of discussion on the internet Razz

But, it is clear that someone has struck an exposed nerve - better get some thicker skin if you wanna be a rock n roller.

Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 1751 Location: Ontario, Canada

This thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, coincidentally that's also how I like my tone.

The Kemper seems like a pretty killer piece of gear. Certainly out of my price range and needs but very cool regardless.

Joined: 19 Jan 2007 Posts: 3200 Location: UK

If anyone interested and had an hour to spare this video is pretty good on the whole process of getting a tone and then profiling it.

Enjoy

http://youtu.be/mAuY9OyMsdg

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:36 am

Armitage wrote:

Lord. What false accusation?

That this gear, or any gear hes ever had an opinion on was "perfect". Look , I get it, you like getting in to it with him, fine. But just own it and pm him if it bothers you that bad.

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hellboundinFTworthTX wrote:

I haven't seen any benefit to these kinds of things in regards to better music or innovation in guitar tone/playing, which is what music needs most nowdays IMO.

Better music is achieved with a pen and a sheet of music paper, not with gear.
As for innovation in tone, there are two sides:

-Most of them replciate sounds of existing amplifiers, so, yeah sort of.
-They however allow me to play amps at home I otherwise couldn't. Cranked Marshall at 3 AM, yeah, no real amp can do that without me ending up in jail.

All in all, modelers do amp tones. Fractal has a "digital only" amp model that was designed from scratch and doesn't exist in real. It sounds good, btw.

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@hellboundinFTworthTX

There is a part in that video i linked where the kemper actual is an improvement over the original amp and fixes a problem where the bass note kinda flatlines (hard to explain).

it's about 40:00 - 42:00 into the video

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heres my take. I dont care who agrees or disagrees.

digital s#%t boxes have their place.
I dont like any of the vids of the kemper I have watched and listened to. I do tend to like some of the axe fx videos. Is one better than the other. I dont know. I would have to play both and make that decision then. Videos can give you somewhat of an idea but not a true idea. You need to use the gear yourself with your style of playing and dialing in tone or lack of tone. they are convenient method of recording. I have heard some good recordings and some bad ones. but the same goes with a real tube amp. I see it being ignorant to use one in a real studio though when you can rent any amp in the world if you dont own the tone you are trying to acheive on recording. They are great for bedroom recording. But I think a true musician who cares about their guitar tone should spend the extra time and money to record the real thing. perhaps i could change my mind but for now that is my opinion based off of youtube videos and internet recordings I have heard thus far. live, they have their place. i personally can not play with in ear monitors. much the same way, I cannot record with both sides of the headphones on my ears. Or I at least have to be sitting near the amp cranked louder than the headphones. live I have to hear the stage volume. I despise the sound of an amp coming through monitors on stage as well. that is me. some guys can do in ears. digital s#%t boxes are great for just plugging in and letting it rip but you have to like in ears or the sound of the amp coming through the monitors. its very easy to get a lot of good tones from the digital shitboxes. especially for non metal tones. it is almost impossible to tell the difference of a micd amp and a digital shitbox coming through a screaming p.a system. unless you are 3days grace. when they played here, his axe fx was hideous. it gave me a headache. litterally. it was worse than a line6 pod. but anyone can make a real amp sound bad too. in the end, everyone is entitled to like what they like but if you bring it up on the internet be entitled to hear people have just as valid reasons to hate something as you do to love them and want or own them.

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:54 am

BLOODROOT wrote:

heres my take. I dont care who agrees or disagrees.

digital s#%t boxes have their place.
I dont like any of the vids of the kemper I have watched and listened to. I do tend to like some of the axe fx videos. Is one better than the other. I dont know. I would have to play both and make that decision then. Videos can give you somewhat of an idea but not a true idea. You need to use the gear yourself with your style of playing and dialing in tone or lack of tone. they are convenient method of recording. I have heard some good recordings and some bad ones. but the same goes with a real tube amp. I see it being ignorant to use one in a real studio though when you can rent any amp in the world if you dont own the tone you are trying to acheive on recording. They are great for bedroom recording. But I think a true musician who cares about their guitar tone should spend the extra time and money to record the real thing. perhaps i could change my mind but for now that is my opinion based off of youtube videos and internet recordings I have heard thus far. live, they have their place. i personally can not play with in ear monitors. much the same way, I cannot record with both sides of the headphones on my ears. Or I at least have to be sitting near the amp cranked louder than the headphones. live I have to hear the stage volume. I despise the sound of an amp coming through monitors on stage as well. that is me. some guys can do in ears. digital s#%t boxes are great for just plugging in and letting it rip but you have to like in ears or the sound of the amp coming through the monitors. its very easy to get a lot of good tones from the digital shitboxes. especially for non metal tones. it is almost impossible to tell the difference of a micd amp and a digital shitbox coming through a screaming p.a system. unless you are 3days grace. when they played here, his axe fx was hideous. it gave me a headache. litterally. it was worse than a line6 pod. but anyone can make a real amp sound bad too. in the end, everyone is entitled to like what they like but if you bring it up on the internet be entitled to hear people have just as valid reasons to hate something as you do to love them and want or own them.

what a well spoken, articulated thought. I disagree. Cool

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It's just one of those things you can either get on board with it or you can't, It's defiantly not for everyone and not everyone will need it or even want it.

Even i still don't know where i would stand on the fact that you can get a snap shot of an amp and never own it. For amp makers perspective do they feel it's stealing ?

It's certainly an innovation for the industry especially if you hav a practical need to capture old amps and save them from blown tubes which is a problem these days seen as tube technology is 50 years behind the times.

Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 5465 Location: White Haven,Pa

In the end it's all about what works for you I guess.I do know down the line you will regret selling that Zakk amp Lanning Laughing

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

I played the Kemper yesterday with a rep from the company running me through all the ins and outs of how it works. It was amazing sounding... Then I went to do my demo with Esoterik and something happened... Something that put a stop to this. Not because the Kemper isn't as amazing as I thought it would be, and not because I don't want it. The guys from Splawn came to check out my demo because they lent Esoterik an amp. We spent about an hour after talking about what I want in an amp and my favorite sounds. They explained how their amps are made and some of the back end about them. I told them that last album I was trying to get a sound like Unearth had on their last album and it was impossible to find no matter what we did and that I knew they used 6505s with OD's up front and so we did too and we still couldn't get close no matter what we did... Then the rep, laughing, told me that Ken Susi and Buzz McGrath had ordered 2 Splawn Nitros for that album... Which for me completely threw me for a loop. Then they offered me a deal... I'm going to meet them around lunch today to work it all out.

Yes the Kemper is amazing. It's the best digital box I have ever played. It did everything I thought it would and more. I really liked it. I don't care what anyone says because my money goes towards what I want. When I post about gear here you have to just read it for what it is and appreciate that I am checking out/playing new gear that some folks may not get their hands on yet want to purchase so they want advice. I can put my hands on the stuff and help with advice.

You're getting a review by a forum member that you can trust, not some kid somewhere on the internet you don't know who has no track record. You know that I am fickle about my tone and you know what amps/rack I have used in the past so I'm not comparing the "Rock Star Tones" of a L6 to a Bogner and saying they are the same thing.

If some of you (you know who you are) are too hard up over what I post and think it's your civic duty to troll/flame me over this then you're either jealous (of what I have no idea), pissed at yourself (something you need to work out on your own) or don't have anything better to do with your time (most likely the problem).

I'm not going to apologize for having the wherewithal to aquire gear or be in the right place to have what I have in life. I worked for everything I have and am not in the least bit sorry if it pisses someone off.

Final summation? The Kemper is all that and a bag of chips... The Splawn stuff has a certain mojo to it I have tried to find for a year since the last EP and they have offered to help me get that specific tone and support me as an artist. I am going with Splawn. I will buy the Kemper later down the road after I have sorted my specific tone out since I know know what I was looking for was with Splawn.

The point of the Kemper is NOT to use someone else's sound. It's to take the sound I have crafted in the studio, profile it and then leave the expensive and heavy tube gear home and take a box out that can replicate the tone (even if it's just a little bit off). I'm going to work on that sound with Splawn and then grab the Kemper after I'm done testing out my new sound.

Joined: 06 Dec 2010 Posts: 78

Everyone is wasting their money. Tomorrow at Namm both Fractal & Kemper are announcing cheaper entry level versions of their boxes with all the firepower intact...

Fractal is even unveiling the new Axe Edit in a stand-alone machine...

And now that a chuckle has been had by all, we return to the interwebs forum version of the Thrilla in Manila.....

Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 6629 Location: Minnesota

That's pretty awesome!

Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 2715

Armitage, Lanning... STFU!!!

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Quote:

The point of the Kemper is NOT to use someone else's sound. It's to take the sound I have crafted in the studio, profile it and then leave the expensive and heavy tube gear home and take a box out that can replicate the tone

In that view, try to get hold of an axeII, the tonematching has made some serious progress since you've owned yours. No clue if it's "better" or worse" than the Kemper but it sure works better than 1 year ago. ^^
Since you're at NAMM I guess a few are around for you to test. It won't be a loss of time.

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:35 pm

Andro wrote:

Quote:

The point of the Kemper is NOT to use someone else's sound. It's to take the sound I have crafted in the studio, profile it and then leave the expensive and heavy tube gear home and take a box out that can replicate the tone

In that view, try to get hold of an axeII, the tonematching has made some serious progress since you've owned yours. No clue if it's "better" or worse" than the Kemper but it sure works better than 1 year ago. ^^
Since you're at NAMM I guess a few are around for you to test. It won't be a loss of time.

i can apreciate that. i totally want it to steal all the tones. if i come up with some really good ones of my own that i cant live without then all the better

Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 3463 Location: North Carolina

RobBouchardDeanml wrote:

i could hear the difference between the original and the kemper.it was pretty accurate though

u can really hear the difference on this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7GexV_TF0

its pretty cool but they are not there yet.The evh i couldent tell the difference but the marshall i could.maybe it models different amps better than others.
find the spot on the original recorded tone and on the kemper where hes playing the same thing then jump back and forth and ul hear it.its a tiny difference but its there.its impressive none the less.I bet theres some killer amp tones online on thier website.Im very interested to have this in my home studio for recording.live though ill keep using my amp.

That two-rock and strat sound like sex. I want a two rock so freaking bad.

Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 1050 Location: charlottle nc

good idea going with splawn, I dont live to far from their factory and have played many of their amps, there some tone boxes forsure.

Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 956 Location: D.O.A. 04-00341

Splawn has some nice stuff they came a ways since the "hot rodded marshall " tag they started with.

Hey lanning look something shiny... kidding good luck with your purchase.

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 10593 Location: Canada

Splawn are Monster Amps! I played one of their Hi Gain Plexis and it was all tone with no compromises!

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

They are building me a Nitro half stack in classic white with a Plexi head shell. Gold face plate and Marshall style knobs. The cab will be a straight cab with salt and pepper grill. It's going to look similar to the Marshall RR half stack just a little more off-white. I'm getting dummy cabs too. Gonna have a wall of Splawn cabs when I'm done. I'm thinking 4 total with one being live. So much for slimming down my rig Rolling Eyes

I should have the half stack in 4-5 weeks according to the artist rep. The dummy cabs will follow once the new album is done and we're ready to go out again.

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Funny, you argued with me about that too...

Oh well, you're gonna sound and look cool. Like I said, people notice a cool backline.

Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Posts: 1271 Location: Easton Ma

wow, didnt see that coming. Id just rock that BLS head and get some Marshall dummy cabs to have that look. Splawns are sick tho
very cool man, very cool..

Just imagine if you kept all the gear you have ever owned, you'd need a fvckin warehouse. Laughing

Have I ever told you how much I care...
Well that because I don't give two shits
fvck what people say, just enjoy the music

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

Just got off the phone with the guys at Splawn... My new amp goes into production this week. Should be 4 weeks until I have it with shipping times and all.

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Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Just got off the phone with the guys at Splawn... My new amp goes into production this week. Should be 4 weeks until I have it with shipping times and all.

Huzzah!

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 5603 Location: phoenix az.

BLOODROOT wrote:

heres my take. I dont care who agrees or disagrees.

digital s#%t boxes have their place.
I dont like any of the vids of the kemper I have watched and listened to. I do tend to like some of the axe fx videos. Is one better than the other. I dont know. I would have to play both and make that decision then. Videos can give you somewhat of an idea but not a true idea. You need to use the gear yourself with your style of playing and dialing in tone or lack of tone. they are convenient method of recording. I have heard some good recordings and some bad ones. but the same goes with a real tube amp. I see it being ignorant to use one in a real studio though when you can rent any amp in the world if you dont own the tone you are trying to acheive on recording. They are great for bedroom recording. But I think a true musician who cares about their guitar tone should spend the extra time and money to record the real thing. perhaps i could change my mind but for now that is my opinion based off of youtube videos and internet recordings I have heard thus far. live, they have their place. i personally can not play with in ear monitors. much the same way, I cannot record with both sides of the headphones on my ears. Or I at least have to be sitting near the amp cranked louder than the headphones. live I have to hear the stage volume. I despise the sound of an amp coming through monitors on stage as well. that is me. some guys can do in ears. digital s#%t boxes are great for just plugging in and letting it rip but you have to like in ears or the sound of the amp coming through the monitors. its very easy to get a lot of good tones from the digital shitboxes. especially for non metal tones. it is almost impossible to tell the difference of a micd amp and a digital shitbox coming through a screaming p.a system. unless you are 3days grace. when they played here, his axe fx was hideous. it gave me a headache. litterally. it was worse than a line6 pod. but anyone can make a real amp sound bad too. in the end, everyone is entitled to like what they like but if you bring it up on the internet be entitled to hear people have just as valid reasons to hate something as you do to love them and want or own them.

i AGREE WITH THIS COMPLETELY

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 5603 Location: phoenix az.

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Armitage wrote:

Constant name calling, what class. I'm sorry I keep proving you wrong, I can't help it. And while you haven't called the Kemper perfect, (probably the best out there though), you did argue the Axe/Fx was... even though I told you a newer better one was coming out, it was hilarious... then you sold it... because it wasn't perfect (as great as it is too).

I sold it because I wanted to try something else. It's funny you think you have an idea as to why I buy or sell anything. Yes I am a class act. I just don't care to be nice to you or try to play nice with you for the sake of conversation on this forum. You haven't proven anything more than you have nothing better to do than get your kicks out of spinning my threads into nonsense. The reality here is you have ZERO effect on what I buy or don't buy and you have ZERO effect on what I play or don't play. You're really good and repeating s#%t you have read or heard elsewhere. You have a large collection of guitars that you think somehow gives you the right to talk down to other people on here. I know I'm a nobody when it comes to the industry yet I really try my hardest to do the best I can to make something for myself with music. You have no soul, no heart and there is no kindness in your words. This is why I talk to you the way I do. You are a true a$$hole and I don't care if anyone thinks less of me for saying it. You prove it time and time again. Here on this forum there are 3-4 guys who's anuses are bent on talking sh1t to me. That's fine because you represent the half of a percent that don't matter around here. (Rob I'm not including you here so don't worry if you think that's pointed at you because it's not)...

You even type in all yellow... What's the point of that? Are you color blind? Do you do it because you're so self centered you need to make sure everyone knows when the all-mighty Armitage is posting? God dude, get over yourself already. I love life, love music and love playing music. I love chatting about gear. That's my reason for even posting in here. I enjoy getting excited when the new cool gear comes out. I embrace change and evolve with current trends. You are completely the opposite and you have no grasp on understanding where I'm coming from. You act like one of these little worms that loves to be right and prove others wrong. It's beyond annoying and it gets tiring to even have a discussion with you. I couldn't imagine trying to know you in real life. I hope that I NEVER run across your path.

NO OFFENSE TAKEN

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 5603 Location: phoenix az.

RobBouchardDeanml wrote:

BLOODROOT wrote:

heres my take. I dont care who agrees or disagrees.

digital s#%t boxes have their place.
I dont like any of the vids of the kemper I have watched and listened to. I do tend to like some of the axe fx videos. Is one better than the other. I dont know. I would have to play both and make that decision then. Videos can give you somewhat of an idea but not a true idea. You need to use the gear yourself with your style of playing and dialing in tone or lack of tone. they are convenient method of recording. I have heard some good recordings and some bad ones. but the same goes with a real tube amp. I see it being ignorant to use one in a real studio though when you can rent any amp in the world if you dont own the tone you are trying to acheive on recording. They are great for bedroom recording. But I think a true musician who cares about their guitar tone should spend the extra time and money to record the real thing. perhaps i could change my mind but for now that is my opinion based off of youtube videos and internet recordings I have heard thus far. live, they have their place. i personally can not play with in ear monitors. much the same way, I cannot record with both sides of the headphones on my ears. Or I at least have to be sitting near the amp cranked louder than the headphones. live I have to hear the stage volume. I despise the sound of an amp coming through monitors on stage as well. that is me. some guys can do in ears. digital s#%t boxes are great for just plugging in and letting it rip but you have to like in ears or the sound of the amp coming through the monitors. its very easy to get a lot of good tones from the digital shitboxes. especially for non metal tones. it is almost impossible to tell the difference of a micd amp and a digital shitbox coming through a screaming p.a system. unless you are 3days grace. when they played here, his axe fx was hideous. it gave me a headache. litterally. it was worse than a line6 pod. but anyone can make a real amp sound bad too. in the end, everyone is entitled to like what they like but if you bring it up on the internet be entitled to hear people have just as valid reasons to hate something as you do to love them and want or own them.

i AGREE WITH THIS COMPLETELY

IM A MARSHALL WHORE AND WHEN I RECORD I USE MARSHALL STUFF TO GET MARSHALL SOUND.I CANT SEE ANY REASON TO USE SOMETHING ELSE TO TRY AND GET A REPLICATED TONE OF WHAT I ALREADY HAVE.I GUESS NOBODY HEARD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE KEMPER MARSHALL TONE AND THE REAL TONE BUT I DID.CLOSE ENOUGH WOULDN'T CUT IT FOR ME.BUT IM A PUREST TO.i WOULDN'T MIND HAVING A KEMPER FOR EXPERIMENTING IN MY STUDIO THOUGH.I DO A LOT OF FUSION WORK BESIDES METAL,I LOVE FENDER CLEANS,VOX AMPS LOTS OF OTHER TONES SO IT DOES INTRIGUE ME, IN THAT ASPECT SINCE I WOULDN'T GO BUY ALL THOSE AMPS JUST TO NOODLE AROUND WITH WEIRD s#%t IN MY STUDIO.BUT THEN AGAIN FOR MY LIVE RIG I WONT BE TRADING IN MY MARSHALLS ANYTIME SOON CAUSE IVE FOUND WHAT IM LOOKING FOR FOR METAL.IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT.

ON ANOTHER NOTE I THINK MOST GUITARISTS SEARCH FOR THEIR GOD TONE I DID.FOR A WHILE THERE I WAS TRYING AND BUYING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT AMPS PEAVEYS,RANDALLS,MESAS,RIVERA,VOX,FENDER,MADISON AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS ID BUY THEM GET ALL EXCITED AND A WEEK LATER SELL THEM.WHY?CAUSE I WAS LISTNING TO EVERYBODY TELLING ME DUDE GET THIS ITS THE BOMB!WHEN ONE DAY MY DRUMMER SAID YOU WERE HAPPY WHEN YOU WERE PLAYING MARSHALLS WHATS WITH ALL THESE AMPS?I SAID I DONT KNOW WENT HOME AND PULLED MY 8100 OUTTA THE CLOSET PLUGGED IN AND SAID MAN THAT IS A GREAT TONE JUST NEEDS MORE LOW END.I REALIZED THAT EVERY AMP I PLUGGED INTO I WASN'T HAPPY CAUSE IT HAD A DIFFERENT GRIND THAN A MARSHALL.SO INSTEAD OF TRYING DIFFERENT BRANDS I STARTED TRYING DIFFERENT MARSHALLS TILL I FOUND ONE THAT WAS REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT i WANTED THEN STARTED TO EXPERIMENT WITH DIFFERENT PEDALS TO ACHIEVE A SOUND THAT MADE ME VERY HAPPY IN EVERY WAY.AND THAT'S WHERE IM AT NOW.NOW I SPEND MY TIME MAKING MUSIC RATHER THAN FIDDLIN WITH THIS AND THAT AMP.

LANNING I SEE YOU GOING THROUGH ALOT OF GEAR BECAUSE I DONT THINK UV FOUND WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR YET.WHEN YOU GET TO POINT WHERE YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO THE SAME AMP BECAUSE ALL THE NEW AMPS UR TRYING AREN'T GIVING YOU THE SAME TONE. YOU WILL HAVE FOUND YOUR BRAND AND TONE.

TO ME AN AMP IS JUST A BASE FOR MY TONE.I LOVE MY MARSHALLS BUT I DO NOT RUN STRAIT INTO THEM TO GET MY TONE.IM A BIG FAN OF PEDALS THE AMP IS JUST THE FOUNDATION FOR MY TONE.MY AMPS REACT VERY WELL WITH PEDALS SOME AMP DONT.I BELIEVE ONE SHOULD FIND HIS OWN UNIQUE TONE IN HIS AMP BY USE OF EXTERNAL DEVICES,AMP SETTINGS,PICKUPS ECT. TO ENHANCE THE ATTRIBUTES OF WHAT A PLAYER WANTS.DEVELOPING A UNIQUE SOUND IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO SOUND LIKE EVERY GUY WHO HAS THE SAME AMP.YES MY MARSHALLS SOUND GREAT ON THEY'RE OWN BUT THEY SOUND MONSTEROUS WITH WHAT I USE.AND I DO BELIEVE ALOT OF YOUR TONE COMES IN YOUR FINGERS,YOUR PICKUPS AND THE GUITARS YOU USE.
IM IN 2 BANDS IN THROW THE SWITCH I HAVE A VERY CRUNCHY TIGHT OLD SCHOOL BAY AREA OLD SCHOOL THRASH TONE WITH A HEAVY GATE SUPER TIGHT PROBABLY A CROSS BETWEEN PANTERA,EXODUS AND PRONG TONE.

IN MY OTHER BAND CACTUS CHAINSAW I HAVE A MUCH FATTER MORE MIDRANGE TONE WITH A TON OF LOW END AND A MUCH LOOSER FEEL.MORE LIKE MAYBE OLD COC OR BLS HARD TO PINPOINT VERY BALLSY DEEP TONE THAT YOU CAN FEEL IN YOUR CHEST.

2 VERY DIFFERENT TONES BUT ONE AMP MARSHALL JCM2000 ON THE CLEAN CHANNEL.

SOME PEOPLE SAY IF YOU CANT PLUG STRAIT IN AND DONT GET THE PERFECT SOUND YOU GOT THE WRONG AMP.
I SAY IF YOU PLUG STRAIT IN AND DONT TRY ANYTHING WITH YOUR AMP YOUR LAZY AND YOU WILL NEVER FIND A PERSONALIZED TONE AND ARE DESTINED TO SOUND LIKE EVERY OTHER GUY WITH THE SAME AMP.BUT HEY THIS IS MY OPINION AND NOT FOR EVERYBODY.

BUT BEFORE RUNNING OUT AND SELLING UR CURRENT AMP U MIGHT WANA MESS AROUND AND TRY SOME STUFF WITH IT CAUSE YOU MIGHT BE SITTING ON A GREAT TONE ALREADY U NEVER KNOW.

I REMEMBER WHEN KRANK AMPS CAME OUT THEY WERE ALL THE RAGE EVERYBODY WANTED ONE NOW THE FAD HAS WORN OFF AND I SEE GUYS HAVIN A HARD TIME SELLING THEM.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:33 pm

RobBouchardDeanml wrote:

BLOODROOT wrote:

heres my take. I dont care who agrees or disagrees.

digital s#%t boxes have their place.
I dont like any of the vids of the kemper I have watched and listened to. I do tend to like some of the axe fx videos. Is one better than the other. I dont know. I would have to play both and make that decision then. Videos can give you somewhat of an idea but not a true idea. You need to use the gear yourself with your style of playing and dialing in tone or lack of tone. they are convenient method of recording. I have heard some good recordings and some bad ones. but the same goes with a real tube amp. I see it being ignorant to use one in a real studio though when you can rent any amp in the world if you dont own the tone you are trying to acheive on recording. They are great for bedroom recording. But I think a true musician who cares about their guitar tone should spend the extra time and money to record the real thing. perhaps i could change my mind but for now that is my opinion based off of youtube videos and internet recordings I have heard thus far. live, they have their place. i personally can not play with in ear monitors. much the same way, I cannot record with both sides of the headphones on my ears. Or I at least have to be sitting near the amp cranked louder than the headphones. live I have to hear the stage volume. I despise the sound of an amp coming through monitors on stage as well. that is me. some guys can do in ears. digital s#%t boxes are great for just plugging in and letting it rip but you have to like in ears or the sound of the amp coming through the monitors. its very easy to get a lot of good tones from the digital shitboxes. especially for non metal tones. it is almost impossible to tell the difference of a micd amp and a digital shitbox coming through a screaming p.a system. unless you are 3days grace. when they played here, his axe fx was hideous. it gave me a headache. litterally. it was worse than a line6 pod. but anyone can make a real amp sound bad too. in the end, everyone is entitled to like what they like but if you bring it up on the internet be entitled to hear people have just as valid reasons to hate something as you do to love them and want or own them.

i AGREE WITH THIS COMPLETELY

IM A MARSHALL WHORE AND WHEN I RECORD I USE MARSHALL STUFF TO GET MARSHALL SOUND.I CANT SEE ANY REASON TO USE SOMETHING ELSE TO TRY AND GET A REPLICATED TONE OF WHAT I ALREADY HAVE.I GUESS NOBODY HEARD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE KEMPER MARSHALL TONE AND THE REAL TONE BUT I DID.CLOSE ENOUGH WOULDN'T CUT IT FOR ME.BUT IM A PUREST TO.i WOULDN'T MIND HAVING A KEMPER FOR EXPERIMENTING IN MY STUDIO THOUGH.I DO A LOT OF FUSION WORK BESIDES METAL,I LOVE FENDER CLEANS,VOX AMPS LOTS OF OTHER TONES SO IT DOES INTRIGUE ME, IN THAT ASPECT SINCE I WOULDN'T GO BUY ALL THOSE AMPS JUST TO NOODLE AROUND WITH WEIRD s#%t IN MY STUDIO.BUT THEN AGAIN FOR MY LIVE RIG I WONT BE TRADING IN MY MARSHALLS ANYTIME SOON CAUSE IVE FOUND WHAT IM LOOKING FOR FOR METAL.IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT.

ON ANOTHER NOTE I THINK MOST GUITARISTS SEARCH FOR THEIR GOD TONE I DID.FOR A WHILE THERE I WAS TRYING AND BUYING ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT AMPS PEAVEYS,RANDALLS,MESAS,RIVERA,VOX,FENDER,MADISON AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS ID BUY THEM GET ALL EXCITED AND A WEEK LATER SELL THEM.WHY?CAUSE I WAS LISTNING TO EVERYBODY TELLING ME DUDE GET THIS ITS THE BOMB!WHEN ONE DAY MY DRUMMER SAID YOU WERE HAPPY WHEN YOU WERE PLAYING MARSHALLS WHATS WITH ALL THESE AMPS?I SAID I DONT KNOW WENT HOME AND PULLED MY 8100 OUTTA THE CLOSET PLUGGED IN AND SAID MAN THAT IS A GREAT TONE JUST NEEDS MORE LOW END.I REALIZED THAT EVERY AMP I PLUGGED INTO I WASN'T HAPPY CAUSE IT HAD A DIFFERENT GRIND THAN A MARSHALL.SO INSTEAD OF TRYING DIFFERENT BRANDS I STARTED TRYING DIFFERENT MARSHALLS TILL I FOUND ONE THAT WAS REALLY CLOSE TO WHAT i WANTED THEN STARTED TO EXPERIMENT WITH DIFFERENT PEDALS TO ACHIEVE A SOUND THAT MADE ME VERY HAPPY IN EVERY WAY.AND THAT'S WHERE IM AT NOW.NOW I SPEND MY TIME MAKING MUSIC RATHER THAN FIDDLIN WITH THIS AND THAT AMP.

LANNING I SEE YOU GOING THROUGH ALOT OF GEAR BECAUSE I DONT THINK UV FOUND WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR YET.WHEN YOU GET TO POINT WHERE YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO THE SAME AMP BECAUSE ALL THE NEW AMPS UR TRYING AREN'T GIVING YOU THE SAME TONE. YOU WILL HAVE FOUND YOUR BRAND AND TONE.

TO ME AN AMP IS JUST A BASE FOR MY TONE.I LOVE MY MARSHALLS BUT I DO NOT RUN STRAIT INTO THEM TO GET MY TONE.IM A BIG FAN OF PEDALS THE AMP IS JUST THE FOUNDATION FOR MY TONE.MY AMPS REACT VERY WELL WITH PEDALS SOME AMP DONT.I BELIEVE ONE SHOULD FIND HIS OWN UNIQUE TONE IN HIS AMP BY USE OF EXTERNAL DEVICES,AMP SETTINGS,PICKUPS ECT. TO ENHANCE THE ATTRIBUTES OF WHAT A PLAYER WANTS.DEVELOPING A UNIQUE SOUND IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO SOUND LIKE EVERY GUY WHO HAS THE SAME AMP.YES MY MARSHALLS SOUND GREAT ON THEY'RE OWN BUT THEY SOUND MONSTEROUS WITH WHAT I USE.AND I DO BELIEVE ALOT OF YOUR TONE COMES IN YOUR FINGERS,YOUR PICKUPS AND THE GUITARS YOU USE.
IM IN 2 BANDS IN THROW THE SWITCH I HAVE A VERY CRUNCHY TIGHT OLD SCHOOL BAY AREA OLD SCHOOL THRASH TONE WITH A HEAVY GATE SUPER TIGHT PROBABLY A CROSS BETWEEN PANTERA,EXODUS AND PRONG TONE.

IN MY OTHER BAND CACTUS CHAINSAW I HAVE A MUCH FATTER MORE MIDRANGE TONE WITH A TON OF LOW END AND A MUCH LOOSER FEEL.MORE LIKE MAYBE OLD COC OR BLS HARD TO PINPOINT VERY BALLSY DEEP TONE THAT YOU CAN FEEL IN YOUR CHEST.

2 VERY DIFFERENT TONES BUT ONE AMP MARSHALL JCM2000 ON THE CLEAN CHANNEL.

SOME PEOPLE SAY IF YOU CANT PLUG STRAIT IN AND DONT GET THE PERFECT SOUND YOU GOT THE WRONG AMP.
I SAY IF YOU PLUG STRAIT IN AND DONT TRY ANYTHING WITH YOUR AMP YOUR LAZY AND YOU WILL NEVER FIND A PERSONALIZED TONE AND ARE DESTINED TO SOUND LIKE EVERY OTHER GUY WITH THE SAME AMP.BUT HEY THIS IS MY OPINION AND NOT FOR EVERYBODY.

BUT BEFORE RUNNING OUT AND SELLING UR CURRENT AMP U MIGHT WANA MESS AROUND AND TRY SOME STUFF WITH IT CAUSE YOU MIGHT BE SITTING ON A GREAT TONE ALREADY U NEVER KNOW.

I REMEMBER WHEN KRANK AMPS CAME OUT THEY WERE ALL THE RAGE EVERYBODY WANTED ONE NOW THE FAD HAS WORN OFF AND I SEE GUYS HAVIN A HARD TIME SELLING THEM.

I know pro studio's that mostly use just Krank's though. It's on many of the albums you hear.

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most studios have a selection of amps. ive seen alot of guys use kranks most ive seen have some kind of distortion pedal in front of them to.Im in krank land phx az.most guys i see live here are using mesa,marshall,peavey,5150 3 or Randall.used to be alot of kranks dont see them much anymore .Come to think of it havent seen a 6505 in a while either.Alot of line 6 and b52 heads to.Mostly I see Mesa recs,Jcm 2000 or Marshall jvm,Line 6 with the bogner effects