funny thing I noticed on the modifier

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I was never interested in this guitar but I saw this video while watching some other dean videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8RrfpUwrUs
hideous amp tone. worse marshall sound Ive heard in a long time but.... i just noticed that the bevels make pointies like a mini stealth. I'm sure all of you knew already but I never cared enough to really notice. thought it was neat and Im bored so i typed this all up. Razz

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Hah you're right... And yes, that tone is like sticking your balls on a cheese grater lol...

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:47 am

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Hah you're right... And yes, that tone is like sticking your balls on a cheese grater lol...

That's got to be one of the worst tones on a JCM 2000 I've heard. And I know they are capable of doing good tones so it must be

1, The video

2, The player.

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I enjoy people who mistake gain for tone. If you want to sound heavier change your style of playing.

Was never a fan of these modifies, but I'm sure they will have many fans

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Cool looking guitar.

The bad tone sounds like poor mic placement.

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:39 pm

bazzabalboa wrote:

I enjoy people who mistake gain for tone. If you want to sound heavier change your style of playing.

Was never a fan of these modifies, but I'm sure they will have many fans

Well it certainly doesn't sounds as bad as a Bugera. Laughing

Yep, I bought one. Right after it's introduction at NAMM 2011.

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I really wish I could find pictures of the original Dean Stealth. So much better. I'd own this by now if it were neck-through.

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Cort Indonesia slave shop model. No thanks.

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Wow... way to slate the guitar here. Its a really bad mix/tone. Not the guitar, the guitar must sound huge.

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:45 pm

ML Tib wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Hah you're right... And yes, that tone is like sticking your balls on a cheese grater lol...

That's got to be one of the worse tones on a JCM 2000 I've heard. And I know they are capable of doing good tones so it must be

1, The video

2, The player.

Exactly, the JCM DSL2000 is a killer amp, I miss mine BAD

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I saw how he was mic'ing his amp...

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:38 pm

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I saw how he was mic'ing his amp...

Doh

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Northwinds wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I saw how he was mic'ing his amp...

Doh

I have two of thse same mic holders(pointing the right direction of course) . They are fine for live but are the worst for recording. they vibrate on your cabinet from the volume and produce a wierd bassy overtone into the mic that cant be dialed out in production. Always use a real stand with a boom that isnt touching the cabinet in any way. that is all.

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BLOODROOT wrote:

Northwinds wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I saw how he was mic'ing his amp...

Doh

I have two of thse same mic holders(pointing the right direction of course) . They are fine for live but are the worst for recording. they vibrate on your cabinet from the volume and produce a wierd bassy overtone into the mic that cant be dialed out in production. Always use a real stand with a boom that isnt touching the cabinet in any way. that is all.

And make sure it's not pointed at the front of your head... You left that out Chris. Laughing

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just my opinion, but I think its a couple things actually -

1 - i think it is actually straight DI from the head and not mic'd at all[pretty sure the 2000 had a DI out that was suppossedly "speaker emulated" and it also seems like when I had my triple super lead 2000 I HATED the emulated out].

2 - his gain is definately maxed out. ugh

3 - his EQ is plainly the over typical "metal" - all bass and no mids. you're actually hearing the bass overcoming the rest of the signal.

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He just sucks at playing Laughing

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:49 am

Northwinds wrote:

ML Tib wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Hah you're right... And yes, that tone is like sticking your balls on a cheese grater lol...

That's got to be one of the worse tones on a JCM 2000 I've heard. And I know they are capable of doing good tones so it must be

1, The video

2, The player.

Exactly, the JCM DSL2000 is a killer amp, I miss mine BAD

And since that was a Dean video. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't the same DSL I used at DOA 2011. And I got a great sound out of it. (minus the screwed up solo bar I did)

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ML Tib wrote:

bazzabalboa wrote:

I enjoy people who mistake gain for tone. If you want to sound heavier change your style of playing.

Was never a fan of these modifies, but I'm sure they will have many fans

Well it certainly doesn't sounds as bad as a Bugera. Laughing

....Naw

Joined: 15 Dec 2008 Posts: 4250 Location: Derry, N Ireland

ML Tib wrote:

bazzabalboa wrote:

I enjoy people who mistake gain for tone. If you want to sound heavier change your style of playing.

Was never a fan of these modifiers, but I'm sure they will have many fans

Well it certainly doesn't sounds as bad as a Bugera. Laughing

Yep, I bought one. Right after it's introduction at NAMM 2011.

Touchey...

So let me get this straight. I voice an opinion that I don't like a guitar on topic, which you so happen to own, therefore its okay to have a go at my amp, which is off the topic of the thread.

FWIW, your modifier looks like balls. Feel free to PM.

D*ck

ML TiB wrote:

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Handbags down ladies.
Baz, that bevelled ML looks incredible

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Wow. I can't even make Ampkit sound that bad and I suck at guitar... Also, those modifiers are just hideous from most angles... Should've just gone and made it more stealth like with pointed edges.

Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Posts: 379 Location: Kent, UK

Where's this hate for the modifier come from?
Don't like it? Don't attention seek saying you don't like it. Some people do, get over it.

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longhurstgb wrote:

Where's this hate for the modifier come from?
Don't like it? Don't attention seek saying you don't like it. Some people do, get over it.

Oh, it wasn't an attack on anyone. However, it is a forum and I am on topic so I could make a post slamming it entirely and it would be part of a good conversation. Wink

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:07 pm

bazzabalboa wrote:

ML Tib wrote:

bazzabalboa wrote:

I enjoy people who mistake gain for tone. If you want to sound heavier change your style of playing.

Was never a fan of these modifiers, but I'm sure they will have many fans

Well it certainly doesn't sounds as bad as a Bugera. Laughing

Yep, I bought one. Right after it's introduction at NAMM 2011.

Touchey...

So let me get this straight. I voice an opinion that I don't like a guitar on topic, which you so happen to own, therefore its okay to have a go at my amp, which is off the topic of the thread.

FWIW, your modifier looks like balls. Feel free to PM.

D*ck

ML TiB wrote:

Why should I bother? You take a potshot at Bloodroot, Lanning and I in regards to gain and tone. I hit you back on your choice of amp, you come back at me on my guitar. Why bother to PM you??? I'm way past pleasing all the people syndrome. I know people aren't going to like that guitar as well as my Futura copy. I also don't like Razorbacks either. Laughing

In regards to the JCM 2000 DSL, don't push the Ultra Gain button in, and the amp sounds killer.

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:09 pm

Berserker829 wrote:

Wow. I can't even make Ampkit sound that bad and I suck at guitar... Also, those modifiers are just hideous from most angles... Should've just gone and made it more stealth like with pointed edges.

Then I wouldn't have bought one. I don't like buying exact copies of Dime's guitars. Too many people call my current ML collection "Dimebag Darrell Vs."

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:37 pm

pariah2 wrote:

just my opinion, but I think its a couple things actually -

1 - i think it is actually straight DI from the head and not mic'd at all[pretty sure the 2000 had a DI out that was suppossedly "speaker emulated" and it also seems like when I had my triple super lead 2000 I HATED the emulated out].

2 - his gain is definately maxed out. ugh

3 - his EQ is plainly the over typical "metal" - all bass and no mids. you're actually hearing the bass overcoming the rest of the signal.

2 & 3 I'd say you're correct on. I don't know about #1 because I bought a Piranha instead of the DSL. But the DSL is still a great amp.

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ML Tib wrote:

bazzabalboa wrote:

ML Tib wrote:

bazzabalboa wrote:

I enjoy people who mistake gain for tone. If you want to sound heavier change your style of playing.

Was never a fan of these modifiers, but I'm sure they will have many fans

Well it certainly doesn't sounds as bad as a Bugera. Laughing

Yep, I bought one. Right after it's introduction at NAMM 2011.

Touchey...

So let me get this straight. I voice an opinion that I don't like a guitar on topic, which you so happen to own, therefore its okay to have a go at my amp, which is off the topic of the thread.

FWIW, your modifier looks like balls. Feel free to PM.

D*ck

ML TiB wrote:

Why should I bother? You take a potshot at Bloodroot, Lanning and I in regards to gain and tone. I hit you back on your choice of amp, you come back at me on my guitar. Why bother to PM you??? I'm way past pleasing all the people syndrome. I know people aren't going to like that guitar as well as my Futura copy. I also don't like Razorbacks either. Laughing

In regards to the JCM 2000 DSL, don't push the Ultra Gain button in, and the amp sounds killer.

Ya see when i made my initial statement I was referring to the horrible tone from the video, and thought that there was way too much gain. If he was looking to sell the guitar he should have used less distortion so we could hear more of the tone from the guitar. Anyone with a cheap guitar and a high gain pickup could achieve the sort of tone that the player in the video had. I was not slaying the JCM. I have an amp that is also capable of stupid levels of distortion, but find that only so much of it is usable without sounding 'tha br00talz'.

I was not taking a shot at you, Bloodroot or Lanning. From my perspective I had passed an opinion on a video demo, and in return got my gear bashed by yourself. I am aware that Bugera's are controversial, but to my ears there is nothing in the price range that sounds as good, and as a student I am going to choose sound over a company's ethics when it comes to amps.

And for what its worth, I sold the razorback, I've grown to hate V neck profiles, instead my only dean at the minute is an ATF3000.

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bazzabalboa wrote:

I was not taking a shot at you, Bloodroot or Lanning.

How did I get pulled into it? I play heavier stuff with likely less gain than most of you and am the first person to laugh at people who mask lack of ability with gain. I don't take any offense to anything going on here. I don't care what any of you play, equipment or style... You're not in my band Laughing

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Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

bazzabalboa wrote:

I was not taking a shot at you, Bloodroot or Lanning.

How did I get pulled into it? I play heavier stuff with likely less gain than most of you and am the first person to laugh at people who mask lack of ability with gain. I don't take any offense to anything going on here. I don't care what any of you play, equipment or style... You're not in my band Laughing

ML TiB called you in, if you read his last post directed at me Laughing

And what you are saying is what I have been saying regarding less gain Razz

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Regardless of who said it, I'm just saying, I don't care about someone else's tone or guitars lol. You can say my tone sucks and my guitars are junk. Opinions vary... Laughing

I generally stay out of tone discussions because you can't debate something like this. I did say something this one time around about this video because it's from a company with able bodied players and I'm surprised they allowed something like that out. If some dude wants to release a vid like that on his own then more power to him. If I were working for Dean I would have asked them to re-shoot that with the cab properly mic'd because it's an obvious car wreck. It's like a missed field goal in the NFL. Yeah the ball went the distance but it didn't go through the goal posts.

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bazzabalboa wrote:

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

bazzabalboa wrote:

I was not taking a shot at you, Bloodroot or Lanning.

How did I get pulled into it? I play heavier stuff with likely less gain than most of you and am the first person to laugh at people who mask lack of ability with gain. I don't take any offense to anything going on here. I don't care what any of you play, equipment or style... You're not in my band Laughing

ML TiB called you in, if you read his last post directed at me Laughing

And what you are saying is what I have been saying regarding less gain Razz

Oh I didnt take it as directed at me. no worries. Even it had, its just text on the internet from someone Ill never meet. I have thick skin.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:02 am

bazzabalboa wrote:

ML TiB called you in, if you read his last post directed at me Laughing

And what you are saying is what I have been saying regarding less gain Razz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEL1m7VJRmc Laughing

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:31 am

I dont have a horse in this race but man I sure want to stick my c0ck in the mashed potatoes!

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This is why we can't have nice things...

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:38 am

Greg... wrote:

This is why we can't have nice things...

Hey! Thats my womans line you melee mouthed crotch pheasant!

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I have that amp yes turn off the bass boost turn the mid knob all the way down then hit the mid scoop button wella horrible tone.i never use that mid scoop button just ruins your tone dont even know why they put it on there.probably the crappy sounding pickups to.

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Time capsule pickups super blow for metal!I had some in my split tail just hideous sounding low gain pickups

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ML Tib wrote:

bazzabalboa wrote:

ML TiB called you in, if you read his last post directed at me Laughing

And what you are saying is what I have been saying regarding less gain Razz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEL1m7VJRmc Laughing

So now you are insulting me because of my nationality? Cool guy... Rolling Eyes

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RobBouchardDeanml wrote:

Time capsule pickups super blow for metal!I had some in my split tail just hideous sounding low gain pickups

What? I found exactly the opposite. Our last EP was done with Time Capsule pickups. I think my tone is great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8icuz6pRA

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I like my tone. Everyone else's tone is probably crap.

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:54 pm

*shrug* the timecapsules in my water v gave me a toner boner

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lordkronos187 wrote:

*shrug* the timecapsules in my water v gave me a toner boner

Naw dude. Someone said they sucked.

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:44 am

Graunke wrote:

lordkronos187 wrote:

*shrug* the timecapsules in my water v gave me a toner boner

Naw dude. Someone said they sucked.

No way! You dont know tone! *random insult* *personal attack* *personal attack* *name drop another forum member opinion* *reference youtube video*

Frickin jerk.

Cool

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Anywho, back on topic!

BLOODROOT wrote:

I was never interested in this guitar but I saw this video while watching some other dean videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8RrfpUwrUs
hideous amp tone. worse marshall sound Ive heard in a long time but.... i just noticed that the bevels make pointies like a mini stealth. I'm sure all of you knew already but I never cared enough to really notice. thought it was neat and Im bored so i typed this all up. Razz

Seriously, thank you for this post. I've been eyeing the ML modifier for a few months now since I really miss my 'ole Black Gold ML. The 24 frets and Floyd Rose make it really appealing, but I'm still on the fences about it. I really didn't know that it was carved out like that, and that may just push me to buy it since I'd really like another 24 fretted guitar with a Floyd Rose.

Now it's just a matter of the satin black or the classic black. Kind of leaning towards the classic, since the satin looks like it'd be fingerprint prone, also looks a bit tacky.

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:41 am

AhsanU wrote:

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Anywho, back on topic!

BLOODROOT wrote:

I was never interested in this guitar but I saw this video while watching some other dean videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8RrfpUwrUs
hideous amp tone. worse marshall sound Ive heard in a long time but.... i just noticed that the bevels make pointies like a mini stealth. I'm sure all of you knew already but I never cared enough to really notice. thought it was neat and Im bored so i typed this all up. Razz

Seriously, thank you for this post. I've been eyeing the ML modifier for a few months now since I really miss my 'ole Black Gold ML. The 24 frets and Floyd Rose make it really appealing, but I'm still on the fences about it. I really didn't know that it was carved out like that, and that may just push me to buy it since I'd really like another 24 fretted guitar with a Floyd Rose.

Now it's just a matter of the satin black or the classic black. Kind of leaning towards the classic, since the satin looks like it'd be fingerprint prone, also looks a bit tacky.

Hi the proto was in satin black. After MAB and I got done playing it I swore some of the finish had worn off. That's why I bought the laquered model.

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:44 am

lordkronos187 wrote:

Graunke wrote:

lordkronos187 wrote:

*shrug* the timecapsules in my water v gave me a toner boner

Naw dude. Someone said they sucked.

No way! You dont know tone! *random insult* *personal attack* *personal attack* *name drop another forum member opinion* *reference youtube video*

Frickin jerk.

Cool

Why doesn't the dean forum have a :poop: emoticon like Facebook? Laughing