Fractal vs Heads

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

Rob you really must hate me. You twist my words into complete nonsense. I have the utmost respect for all musicians. I never once slighted anyone in a club band, anyone in a coffee shop or anyone with an acoustic guitar at a college campus courtyard. I have never once in any thread, post, comment or otherwise said anything bad about a band wether they have toured, not toured or whatever. I have never once said a band is not good, or just ok or so so or whatever. You can't find that in any post here, any other forum or on Facebook or Twitter or wherever. I have never said a certain player was good or crap. You seem to think my words are more than what I'm saying. That's your personal problem with me. I have played the clubs, I have done the covers... I have suffered in the van. I know as well as anyone what that's like. I have decided to make a change. It seems it's popular to sh1t on me for having an opinion but all of you can say what you want with no recourse.

I have only been talking about what we are doing. I don't give a sh1t what any other band is doing. I don't care what gear another band is using. We built our business and it's working for us.

You have also made some big mistakes and twisted my works in other areas...

I'm responsible for over 50% of the writing on the album. The other percentages go to our singer, the writer and producer. Yes everyone gets a cut. I never said I released total control of my art. What I did say was I wrote a lot and we only used a little of it. I sit down every day with the writer and we work on ideas together. He has some, I have some and sometimes we just jam and make them together. That's no different than having done it with another band member. The fact that the guy writing with us is from one of my favorite band's of all time, Bloodsimple. It's a HUGE incentive and is very exciting because he writes music the way I write music. However now he's a producer and writer as well for many big bands so he understands how to get the best out of us. Our songs aren't written for us. We start them and they help arrange and re-write parts that need to be to flow better and make more sense. There is one or two songs that he wrote which I have less to do with but that's because they were pitched to us and go along well with the other stuff we already wrote. Writing with Nick, for me is like someone inviting Dime into their session to help write some stuff. There is no difference whatsoever and no band in their right mind would turn that down.

Reality here is what I'm typing. It's how the business is run. If people don't like it then they are not ready to get to that point. For example, Rob if Cactus Chainsaw got a record deal from a real label, not a local company with no support... They would give you XXXX dollars to do the album. If you think they would just let you run away with the money and give them an album in a few months without them having control, then you're sadly mistaken. They will listen to what you guys bring to the table and then they will say "OK and this is what we're going to do" and you're going to do it or not have a deal.

If I'm selling out then every band out there doing what we are doing has sold out. If I'm foolish for giving up control, then most artists these days are foolish. If you think I'm just a hired gun? You are so backwards on that statement. When you get in a deal you work for the company... That doesn't make you a hired gun, that means you are now in the recording industry.

If you really feel some super backwards thoughts about me, go ahead and PM me your home number. I will call you and we can talk about this like gentleman over the phone. I can't debate with you any longer on here if all you plan on doing is twisting my words and slinging mud. I have never said what you think I have.

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 5605 Location: phoenix az.

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

Rob you really must hate me. You twist my words into complete nonsense. I have the utmost respect for all musicians. I never once slighted anyone in a club band, anyone in a coffee shop or anyone with an acoustic guitar at a college campus courtyard. I have never once in any thread, post, comment or otherwise say anything bad about a band wether they have toured, not toured or whatever. I have never once said a band is not good, or just ok or so so or whatever. You can't find that in any post here, any other forum or on Facebook or Twitter or wherever. You seem to think my words are more than what I'm saying. That's your personal problem with me.

You have also made some big mistakes and twisted my works in other areas...

I think there is still a misconception here. I'm responsible for over 50% of the writing on the album. The other percentages go to our singer, the writer and producer. Yes everyone gets a cut. I never said I released total control of my art. What I did say was I wrote a lot and we only used a little of it. I sit down every day with the writer and we work on ideas together. He has some, I have some and sometimes we just jam and make them together. That's no different than having done it with another band member. The fact that the guy writing with us is from one of my favorite band's of all time, Bloodsimple. It's a HUGE incentive and is very exciting because he writes music the way I write music. However now he's a producer and writer as well for many big bands so he understands how to get the best out of us. Our songs aren't written for us. We start them and they help arrange and re-write parts that need to be to flow better and make more sense. There is one or two songs that he wrote which I have less to do with but that's because they were pitched to us and go along well with the other stuff we already wrote. Writing with Nick, for me is like someone inviting Dime into their session to help write some stuff. There is no difference whatsoever and no band in their right mind would turn that down.

Reality here is what I'm typing. It's how the business is run. If people don't like it then they are not ready to get to that point. For example, Rob if Cactus Chainsaw got a record deal from a real label, not a local company with no support... They would give you XXXX dollars to do the album. If you think they would just let you run away with the money and give them an album in a few months without them having control, then you're sadly mistaken. They will listen to what you guys bring to the table and then they will say "OK and this is what we're going to do" and you're going to do it or not have a deal.

If I'm selling out then every band out there has sold out. If I'm foolish for giving up control, then most artists these days are foolish. If you think I'm just a hired gun? You are so backwards on that statement. When you get in a deal you work for the company... You're all hired guns....

Ur right Lanning they would expect that weve already been offered a deal twice and didnt like the terms so we passed.weve all agreed we would rather put out our own albums and produce them ourselves then shop for distribution.Cant say I wouldn't sign any deal but we talked were not giving up creative control or distribution rights and a few other things.im not concerned with making it im 45 It would take a substantial amount of money for me to drop my whole life and go on tour Im a single parent with a 12 year old daughter to raise.that comes first before anything.

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

I can totally respect that. I like your bands and if you remember I spun your stuff on the radio up here more than once. I support local music and I go to local shows. We decided we wanted to try something new and get to that next level. We have the opportunity but with that opportunity comes some stipulation. If we put out a few great albums then we'll be allowed to have more control later on. This is very standard for the industry and you should well know. I'm just not as bothered by it as some people are. I'm excited for the new challenge. I'm not doing it to be super famous or anything like that. It would be cool but that's not the idea. I'm trying to make more for my wife and I. I'm trying to make it, so when I'm in my mid 40s I can start producing and helping younger bands get where they want to. I can't do that without a name and having a successful band is a big help. There is more to this than what you see right now on our end.

Some people will still say what they will say but I can't be bothered by that. We will stay the course regardless of what happens because we are in good hands. If in the end it doesn't work out then we can't say we didn't try.

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:02 am

Lanning is Killdozer wrote:

I can totally respect that. I like your bands and if you remember I spun your stuff on the radio up here more than once. I support local music and I go to local shows. We decided we wanted to try something new and get to that next level. We have the opportunity but with that opportunity comes some stipulation. If we put out a few great albums then we'll be allowed to have more control later on. This is very standard for the industry and you should well know. I'm just not as bothered by it as some people are. I'm excited for the new challenge. I'm not doing it to be super famous or anything like that. It would be cool but that's not the idea. I'm trying to make more for my wife and I. I'm trying to make it, so when I'm in my mid 40s I can start producing and helping younger bands get where they want to. I can't do that without a name and having a successful band is a big help. There is more to this than what you see right now on our end.

Some people will still say what they will say but I can't be bothered by that. We will stay the course regardless of what happens because we are in good hands. If in the end it doesn't work out then we can't say we didn't try.

Good luck Lanning.

Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 5605 Location: phoenix az.

I dont hate u Lanning Really in truth I wish u the best and I Can respect what ur doing and I really do hope it works out for u.Well im off to haul my gear to a show nite yall!

Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:33 am

And remember it's all recuperable whether you sell a million or a few hundred whatever the label puts in they will want their cut of the money back.

I have some good friends that have a Local band Called Soapy Tuna, they changed their name to Jesus Gun went out to California and made a CD with former "Edwin Dare" guitarist "Jeff Kollman" doing the Production his Brother Tommy Kollman (RIP) was the drummer at the time . Tommy quit after wards. Well Subsequently David Geffen got a hold of them in 2001 and signed them to Geffen and they recorded a album called "Break Your Silence" with a few huge names at the time including "Scott Weiland" of STP and "Jay Baumgartner" and "John Kurzweg" doing the Producing. Eventually the Lablel made them Change their name to Cinder they released a Single "Soul Creation" on Most Rock Radio as well as World Wide video release on MTV etc. it made it to no. 26 on the Charts. They went on tour opening for Creed and Sevendust this was in 2001 and 2002. They had some issues and were removed from the tour. After wards Pat the Bass player Quit and was replaced. Well Geffen decided to sit on the Album which was to be released. During this time Geffen got bought out by Universal and the Album was never released and they were Dropped, but Universal held on to their name and catalog. They had to wait two years and Pay over a Million Dollars back to Universal to "Buy" their band name and Catalog back. During the time they were Still Cinder, but could only Play Locally as Soapy Tuna doing a normal Club set with their originals and Covers, but they Were not Allowed to Play as the Band Cinder unless it was a Radio Station Sanctioned or Label event. They finally were able to get the Contract settled It had expired and received their catalog back, they finally released their CD after signing with a new label in 2006 they were eventually dropped from that Label as well and are now Still Paying Back Both Labels. The also receive a HUGE Advance over a Half A Million Dollars as well as Endorsements from Mesa Boogie, Paul Reed Smith, Warwick and DW. All of it had/has to be Payed back. They just released another CD as Cinder which makes #3. But they Have basically become a Local Bar Band that at one Point were on the Edge of it all. And by the way they are still paying the labels back. What little Roger the singer gets in Royallties from Soul Creation which he still receives but its not much because the Label still takes their cut.

Lanning I wish you the best of Luck .....

I know a lot how the Industry worked from Interns I had doing Radio Promotion for Atlantic Records in Nashville when I was in College at Belmont. I saw many a Awesome bands demo end up in my collection or in the trash because they were sent to the wrong division and Nashville AR doesn't handle Rock at least not in 1990, they would be like you want this we can't do anything with it. and they would give me the Tape or CD whatever. But that's a whole different story.

want to read more on Cinder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinder_%28band%29

Soul Creation
http://youtu.be/rqIUn8EwfgU

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 13396 Location: Earth

One good thing we're doing is flipping the bill here. We're doing the licensing by territory as well. We're going to be smart about what we give up and what we don't for the future of the band.

Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 428 Location: Fargo, ND

WASN'T THIS THREAD SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AMPS!!!!!?????

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:30 pm

Paul Harvey wrote:

WASN'T THIS THREAD SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AMPS!!!!!?????

It is, plus more informarion on a few good buddies bands and everyones opinions on the industry and whate everyone is doing... this is a good informative thread all around

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:36 pm

Grim Reaper wrote:

Paul Harvey wrote:

WASN'T THIS THREAD SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AMPS!!!!!?????

It is, plus more informarion on a few good buddies bands and everyones opinions on the industry and whate everyone is doing... this is a good informative thread all around

We didn't discuss gun control though....

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:45 pm

www.DropD.net wrote:

Grim Reaper wrote:

Paul Harvey wrote:

WASN'T THIS THREAD SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AMPS!!!!!?????

It is, plus more informarion on a few good buddies bands and everyones opinions on the industry and whate everyone is doing... this is a good informative thread all around

We didn't discuss gun control though....

Use both hands....lesson over Laughing

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:55 pm

Grim Reaper wrote:

www.DropD.net wrote:

Grim Reaper wrote:

Paul Harvey wrote:

WASN'T THIS THREAD SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AMPS!!!!!?????

It is, plus more informarion on a few good buddies bands and everyones opinions on the industry and whate everyone is doing... this is a good informative thread all around

We didn't discuss gun control though....

Use both hands....lesson over Laughing

You should debate piers Morgan

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:09 pm

www.DropD.net wrote:

Grim Reaper wrote:

www.DropD.net wrote:

Grim Reaper wrote:

Paul Harvey wrote:

WASN'T THIS THREAD SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT AMPS!!!!!?????

It is, plus more informarion on a few good buddies bands and everyones opinions on the industry and whate everyone is doing... this is a good informative thread all around

We didn't discuss gun control though....

Use both hands....lesson over Laughing

You should debate piers Morgan

I'd Love too!!!! Laughing

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:12 pm

Wes is getting some slamming tones out this unit.