Get This BS from Ed Roman

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Check out ol' Ed's Dean page:

http://www.edromanguitars.com/avail/guitar/avail_dea.htm

I quote:

"All ML Models except Baby's are discontinued last chance to order!!!!!"

What a bunch of BS!!!

Also, look at number 163, a generic ol' Korean Dean Platinum ML. Ed claims "One of a Kind, Block Inlays"

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Thats 'ol Ed A'aight!

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What the hell is he trying to say? Isn't that illegal?

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It's been speculated here in the past that he is referring to what he will carry in his stock.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:40 pm

since when have ML's been discontinued????

If they are discontinued...wait didn't he say they were discontinued in October. That ML looks like a 79, except it has blade pups...what the hell is going on here????

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 697 Location: Colorado

HAHAHA!

Ed Roman is a pompous f*cktard.

Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 47

i saw that a couple of months ago. what annoys me is that he has that type of mis information and then claims to go way back with dean. if he had the misinformation but didn't claim that it wouldn't be half as annoying.

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 127

Man! I just gotta call Ed now and snag one of the last ML's 'cause you know.........once their gone, their gone! Rolling Eyes

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:20 pm

im pretty sure we'd be of the very first if not the first to know the ml's were discontinued

Rich

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 6645 Location: Hawaii

The leprechaun is trying to schmooze as much $$$ from poor unknowing guitar fans (ie the general consuming public who know not yet of this forum) to keep himself in business...somebody please put him out of MY misery

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Dischord wrote:

somebody please put him out of MY misery

Shouldn't that be OUR misery?

"f*cktard",indeed...

Rolling Eyes

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 456 Location: Austin, Texas

Only thing about it, guys...maybe some of you didn't see the post from Dean Z, but he doesn't want us slamming Dean dealers, including Ed Roman. There was a veiled message he gave that hinted about discontinuing this forum if we "outlived our usefulness" I believe was how he put it. I'm not a fan of Ed, but I also don't want to offend the people who are giving us an outlet for discussing these guitars. Just my thoughts on this. Confused

Dana <~~~

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 127

Very good point, thanks for the reminder. I guess I just needed an excuse to use an rollin' eyes emoticon!

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Sorry...

But I DID "quote" someone Wink

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guitarforceone wrote:

Only thing about it, guys...maybe some of you didn't see the post from Dean Z, but he doesn't want us slamming Dean dealers, including Ed Roman. There was a veiled message he gave that hinted about discontinuing this forum if we "outlived our usefulness" I believe was how he put it. I'm not a fan of Ed, but I also don't want to offend the people who are giving us an outlet for discussing these guitars. Just my thoughts on this. Confused

Dana <~~~

yeah.. "outlived our usefulness"..

does that include our money?? Shocked

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:44 pm

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not gonna say anything :- x

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ponch wrote:

Well I'm having none of it. I want to know why DEAN (the company) put up with one of their dealers advertising LIES on their website. I can put up with premium prices and all, but lately the false photo's, the quip about MLs being discontinued...I've had enough. I won't buy from Ed anyways, and granted, he does buy alot from DEAN, but regardless DEAN (the comany), Ed is making you look bad. Telling lies about your company to sell guitars is bad. It's fraudulent and I'd like to know why it is tolerated. Evil or Very Mad

*steps down from soapbox*

Excellent Post,Sir.

2 Thumbs Way Up!!!

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 127

I bit my tounge on my last post but here it goes. Now that I have rediscovered Dean, Gibson and PRS will NEVER get anymore of my money. Why? Because I found something better and I'd rather not promote a product made by a company with a piss poor attitude. All I ask is that Mr. Z continues to keep me happy if he wants my hard earned money. Afterall, we are in charge. Wink

I'm off my soapbox now. thank you.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:21 pm

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Ed Roman's description of the Z79 SAYS IT'S BASSWOOD? He is wrong right?

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 456 Location: Austin, Texas

It was just a reminder. I like Dean guitars as much as the rest of you, and I have no use for ER. Not trying to bust anyone's balls here. Just remembering what was said before, that's all.

And no, the '79's are not basswood.
Dana <~~~

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 127

Dana,
I not sure if your talking about my post or not but I wasn't attacking you or anything. Sorry. Razz

It's just that we have more power than we realize. The consumer runs the show. Knowledge is power.

peace out

Jack

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 456 Location: Austin, Texas

z dogg wrote:

Dana,
I not sure if your talking about my post or not but I wasn't attacking you or anything. Sorry. Razz

It's just that we have more power than we realize. The consumer runs the show. Knowledge is power.

peace out

Jack

No bro'...I wasn't talking about anyones post in particular. I'd just hate for the forum to be taken down permanently over the Ed Roman thing, that's all I was saying. I've met a lot of really cool people here, and I don't want that to go away.
Dana <~~~

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Collectively we have no power at all, its only in your mind if you believe we do. I have bought at least 12 Deans since January 03, mostly USA Vintage, and a TC Caddy, and I was politely put in my place, a while back.

We collectively will not make or break Armadillo Corp or Dean Guitars. For everyone of us who decides not to buy a Dean guitar there are probably 3 who will. That is the harsh reality of it.

Tom(60s rocker) had a dealer call his mother one of the vilest names I have ever heard a businessman say to a potential customer and nothing was done about it.

So I will buy the guitars I like be it a Dean or a PRS(oops did I just say that) and I will remember that while my money goes to help the financial betterment of Armadillo it doesn't buy me any type of power or say about corporate dealings.
Bill

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 127

I think we all have post PRS forum syndrome. That's why I said what I said. The only thing that will take this forum down is a bad economy! Dean needs our output, good or bad. We are Dean. In a way I'm glad Dean is not one of the top 3, look what happened to PRS and Gibson. Talk about biting the hand that feeds. One is the flavor of the moment and the other thinks it's God. Please. I never want to see that happen here.

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That is exactly what I was trying to say. I will not jump on any band wagon and bash any dealer. I have been warned already. I suggest what TOM said

NO MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE LET THIS ONE DROP!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:32 pm

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 127

Hello Bill!
I understand your point but, I also understand "The 100 Monkey Syndrome" (long story if you don't know). All I know is, everytime I get cocky, I always get knocked down a few pegs. Watch what happens to companies that fail to be in touch with the consumer.

Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 2705 Location: Dallas, TX

Maybe I can be of some assistance here:

Quote:

"All ML Models except Baby's are discontinued last chance to order!!!!!"

Leprachaun Translator On:

"The only ML's I have in stock are all discontinued models, and the ones I have left are the slow movers when they were shipping models. Rather than just call them NOS, I'll label the whole lot of em as discontinued in an effort to move them."

Leprachaun Translator Off:

If you look at what's shown there, it's all old stuff. There's even a tropical in there.

Further translation:

"One of a kind" = "the only one I have left"
"Same as shown except with black knobs" = "didn't bother to take a picture of the one you'll be buying"

One of the things I've noticed he tends to do is either (being kind) not keep up on the actual series names and thus call em whatever makes sense at the moment or (my guess) obfuscate the series name to make price shopping more difficult to the casual buyer. Whatever the case it's why these aren't being described as selects or whathaveyou.

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 127

Cool, now that's tapping inside the mind of a salesman!

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I understand the monkey theory, but the fact remains that as forum members we are the minority of DEAN consumers. It has been made very clear that we are not going to dictate how the company is run. Plain and simple, fact. End of the story. I don't make the rules but after being around for 51 years I know how to play by them.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:50 pm

z dogg wrote:

Hello Bill!
I understand your point but, I also understand "The 100 Monkey Syndrome" (long story if you don't know). All I know is, everytime I get cocky, I always get knocked down a few pegs. Watch what happens to companies that fail to be in touch with the consumer.

Yeah. Gibson went broke...didn't they? Rolling Eyes

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:57 pm

Seems just a bit rude to me. If Ed is lying and dishonest, I think people should be made aware of that. Freedom of speech and all.
"Outlived our usefullness". Interesting thing to say to the DOA.
Kinda makes you think.

guitarforceone wrote:

Only thing about it, guys...maybe some of you didn't see the post from Dean Z, but he doesn't want us slamming Dean dealers, including Ed Roman. There was a veiled message he gave that hinted about discontinuing this forum if we "outlived our usefulness" I believe was how he put it. I'm not a fan of Ed, but I also don't want to offend the people who are giving us an outlet for discussing these guitars. Just my thoughts on this. Confused

Dana <~~~

Joined: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 127

Ponch,
I never said they'd be gone in week! Things take time. Gibson has old product. If you can't keep up, you'll be left behind. Look at how Dean has expanded and Gibson hasn't. How long can that last?

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While Dean certainly has gained in the market place I don't think that they out sell Gibson or fender by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:19 pm

z dogg wrote:

Ponch,
I never said they'd be gone in week! Things take time. Gibson has old product. If you can't keep up, you'll be left behind. Look at how Dean has expanded and Gibson hasn't. How long can that last?

No offense, but the consumer really doesn't matter. Gibson has never suffered for distancing itself from the consumer and it probably never will as long as there is MTV and international artists advertising their products. If a product is popular, there will always be millions pleased and willing to buy, whatever the price. For a more detailed example visit the brainless lemmings on the LesPaulForum. Rolling Eyes

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 303

As the person who spoke with Dean Z regarding his statements and the intention thereof, maybe I should add to this subject.
Dean has never objected to our opinions and discussions in any way. I can't think of a single thing that he deleted or censored. The PRS forum was terminated because members posted actual numbers and caused two buyers to call and cancel orders on very expensive guitars. They directly interfered with dealers and cost them money. Dean had first-hand knowledge of this occurance. he was only sending out a friendly warning that we should be careful not to fall into the same habits as some of the PRS board members.
With the thousands of guitars that Ed Roman sells, there is no way he could possible know every model and it's features. Also, I seriously doubt he personally writes all the text on his website. There is a certain amount of sales hype no matter what the product is. I don't think Ed is intentionally lying about anything. He's a salesman, plain and simple.

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Having been associated both with the flea and the back, I will take the flea.

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:23 pm

PhantomXT wrote:

HAHAHA!

Ed Roman is a pompous f*cktard.

hehehehehehe, I like you man. Thats some funny s#%t.

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Bassandtreble wrote:

Having been associated both with the flea and the back, I will take the flea.

I could have said it better. Trends suck. Here's to being cool without being trendy!

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60srocker wrote:

Z, you've gotta keep things in perspective. Gibson probably sells more guitars in a week than Dean does in a year. Dean gets one or 2 pics in the Musician Friend's catalog, and Gibson+Epiphone gets 20 pages. Dean makes fine guitars and gives you more for your money than Gibson, but Dean is but a flea on Gibson's back.

I understand your point about scale, but I also remember that Gibson almost crapped out years back. My only point is, it's 2003 and where's the Roman Empire? Hmmmmm....gone.

By the way, it's nice to see another person from Alabama!

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No offence taken Ponch, it's great to talk with ya!

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:45 pm

Well I can safely say the 'Roman Empire' aren't getting any of my money any time soon.

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You said it Ponch!

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:53 am

redcadillac wrote:

i saw that a couple of months ago. what annoys me is that he has that type of mis information and then claims to go way back with dean. if he had the misinformation but didn't claim that it wouldn't be half as annoying.

I can understand exaggerating the truth so a buyer feels compelled to purchase. I yet don't like the ideas of someone trying force feed the purchase out of making customers say "Shut up I'll buy you f*cking @sshole"

His wording on the website makes it seem like he's the type of salesman that will let you touch and play test his guitars, then point to a manditory buy before you touch....wait a minuite I applied for a job as a new car salesman, but you expect to be fed a buy from those guys.

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guitarforceone wrote:

Only thing about it, guys...maybe some of you didn't see the post from Dean Z, but he doesn't want us slamming Dean dealers, including Ed Roman. There was a veiled message he gave that hinted about discontinuing this forum if we "outlived our usefulness" I believe was how he put it. I'm not a fan of Ed, but I also don't want to offend the people who are giving us an outlet for discussing these guitars. Just my thoughts on this. Confused

Dana <~~~

Well, you don't see me slamming any other dealers, only Ed Roman, but with his rep for being the.....inventive salesman for lack of better terms, well, I'd rather pay for it at the dealer in my home town where I cannot get even Dave's (B&T) deals, but at least I know I'm getting what I pay for, if that clarifies anything at all. Yes I've bought from other dealers, and I will buy from any dealer that deals. I just prefer to at least think my intelligence level is high enough not to be snowed by Ed and his inventive salesmanship. And further, freedom of speech in mind, I prefer to educate persons who do not have the liberty of guitar intelligence (face it guys, we were ALL ignorant to guitar buying at some point in time or other) due to lack of experience or lack of anything besides trendyness...if this qualifies this post as one to be banned, then so be it.

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:26 am

Don, shouldn't inventive salesmanship be in quotes like the word "laser" is. ex "inventive salesmanship"