A REAL Caddilac?!?

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 34 Location: Sacramento

This meets all criteria, yes?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2366628647

Body binding, multi-ply headstock binding,block inlays(3 pups.even!!) An honest to g@d Caddy??? Shocked

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 7639 Location: Florida

I like this line

"Yes, it was the 80's and Kahlers did happen."

good stuff

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

definately a REAL caddy but it has an added trem so that will certainly affect the price!

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:34 am

It's one of only a handful of real vintage Caddies I've seen, and it's been butchered. What a pity.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

I wouldn't call it butchered, but it is less desireable......

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 5799

I wouldn't even call it less than desireable. I have that same trem on my Carvin and it's a really nice trem. If it's an authentic one it's the Kahler Pro, made in USA. That's what I have on my Carvin and it's solid as a rock. Very easy to work with as well, none of the tuning "issues" that scare people away from a Floyd. To be honest I can't stand Tune O Matic bridges. I really like being able to adjust each string height. Plus I'm a sucker for the precision of a REAL Floyd or Kahler.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

Yes but we all know that aftermarket trems have HUGE impact on teh prices of vintage DEANs however nice the trem may be...

A vintage V standard with an aftermarket FLoyd isn't even worth $ 400 go figure!

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 7639 Location: Florida

spacebeer wrote:

A vintage V standard with an aftermarket FLoyd isn't even worth $ 400 go figure!

I'll take it

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

You could have....I saw a couple vintage DEAN with aftermarket floyds go for under that!

Guest

Bill Lawrence pups aren't original either. Nice but not a primo example unfortunately, Kahler isn't gold plated either, Caddys were all gold hardware, so yes it is and no it's not, before the mods it probably was a Cadillac. Sad

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

the PU's are not a too big deal though you can always replace them, there was no structural damage done to trhe guitar replacing em...

but they are non original nonetheless...

Guest

Hans,
I agree but trying to find Dean Di Marzios from that era are going to be hard to find. Di Marzio will not wind custom pups to the vintage Dean specs either unless you have the original to send them to be rewound. I already tried.

Certainly not major issues pups and kahler but it does greatly lower the value none the less. I personally wouldn't be willing to pay much more than where the bidding is at now.
Bill

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:10 am

Hey Bill... why won't they wind new pups to the old specs? Sounds like bad business to me.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

Justnoldbluzman wrote:

Hans,
I agree but trying to find Dean Di Marzios from that era are going to be hard to find. Di Marzio will not wind custom pups to the vintage Dean specs either unless you have the original to send them to be rewound. I already tried.

Certainly not major issues pups and kahler but it does greatly lower the value none the less. I personally wouldn't be willing to pay much more than where the bidding is at now.
Bill

Hmm...I ahve like 5 laying around I got out of some of my vintage DEANs...so no probs here HAHAHAHA, I'll keep em just for the sake of being able to put em back if desired!

However I still think that those DiMarzio's are simple oridinairy DP-100's or super distortions...in any case that is what its ays on em and they sound exactly teh same to me....or at least very much alike!

I am wondering still about the myth surrounding em...I still believe they are stock Super Distortions!
Does anyone have any definitive proof or documentation from which we can conclude they are indeed different and why does it say DP-100 on em if they are any different?

Guest

Chuck,
What I was told when I contacted Di Marzio was to avoid any shenanagins the only way I could get a new pups wound to "Dean" specs was to submit photos of the guitar with the serial number and the old pickups from the guitar. I wanted to make the 1982 Dean E'Lite I have back to all original.

Hans,
According to the old literature that I have read on the Vintage Deans it says Custom wound Di Marzio pick ups to the best of my recollection.

Bill

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

You are right Bill they were advertised like that, i read it too in old ads....

even the current DiMarzio's in TC's are marketed like "custom" wounds...but I simply have a little doubt if they really are...I can recall DiMarzio said to someone they are just the standard DP-100's!

Anyway they sound nice, no doubt...and I certainly wouldn't mind having that Caddy...these things are super rare!

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

Did anybody notice the tuners are put non symmetrical into teh headstock, looks a bit awkward to me.

On the right the yupper tuner stands quite far from the binding whereas the left upper tuner is almost over or in the binding!

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:49 am

Could be the angle...looks a bit funny I admit...

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

The photo isn't taken under an angle it's head on!

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:19 am

No. I said that wrong. I mean't from the way the headstocks tilting back and...ahhh, it's just a weird pic. Very Happy

I dunno what I'm saying. I'm on kickas$ flu medication. Daytime tablets rrrrraaaaaarrrrrrrr!!!!

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

LOL.....be happy I am at work and it sucks hard HAHAHHAHA!

I am really too sober at the moment!

Guest

If DiMarzio won't sell you a "custom" Dean SD, then that's a change in policy in the past few years, possibly at the request of Dean. I have personally called up DiMarzio(about 3 or 4 years ago) and ordered the Dean "special" Super D's.

I've always wondered what the difference was in the SD's and have even asked Dean himself. All Dean would do is smile and say that they were hotter. I've even put regular zebra SD's in Dean's that were missing the correct pickups and I can't tell the difference in sound.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

Same here, I don't hear any difference...I thik you can easily put in some regular SD's in this Caddy and you won't notice the difference!

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 354

It would be cool to restore it to near original condition. New pickups from the new Caddy 3 setup and have nice caddy. It will not be worth as much as one would put into it though.

Randall

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 697 Location: Colorado

Truthfully I like the guitar MORE with the aftermarket changes.
As stated in the description, "This guitar is a player and is not being sold as a collectors piece."

If I had to choose between that axe, and the same axe stock... I think I'd take the "butchered" one.

It's not what a guitar is worth... It's what it's worth to you.

Travis

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4381 Location: Vaasa, Finland

PhantomXT wrote:

Truthfully I like the guitar MORE with the aftermarket changes.
As stated in the description, "This guitar is a player and is not being sold as a collectors piece."

If I had to choose between that axe, and the same axe stock... I think I'd take the "butchered" one.

It's not what a guitar is worth... It's what it's worth to you.

Travis

Aaaamen!!!!

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 354

IMHO paying 7-800 for this guitar then putting 4-500 more into it to get back to original and you have a $700 guitar in the end. To me it would be worth it because I like Caddy's. but it will never be worth what is in it.

Randall

Joined: 30 Nov 2003 Posts: 354

Make that $900. The reserve has been met. I think this is the highest I have seen a non-original (repaired/tremmed) Dean go for.

Randall

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:53 pm

Randall wrote:

Make that $900. The reserve has been met. I think this is the highest I have seen a non-original (repaired/tremmed) Dean go for.

Randall

Agreed Randall!

Guest

I would agree also.

Joined: 18 Dec 2003 Posts: 2151

Randall wrote:

Make that $900. The reserve has been met. I think this is the highest I have seen a non-original (repaired/tremmed) Dean go for.

Randall

Wow! The vintage Dean market sure has changed!!! Non-original pickups, non-original electronics, non-original case and the body carved up for a Kahler and $900???

I bought this beautiful flametop 81 Z w/ original case on eBay a few years ago for $280!!!! just because of a Kahler addition.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:32 am

spacebeer wrote:

Yes but we all know that aftermarket trems have HUGE impact on teh prices of vintage DEANs however nice the trem may be...

A vintage V standard with an aftermarket FLoyd isn't even worth $ 400 go figure!

I bought my '81 ML Standard with a Floyd for $450. Its worth every penny I spent for it and I wouldn't let it go for twice that amount.

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:34 am

That's one badass Z Greg. Id have to make you an offer if it was an ML.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

That Z is sweet indeed, I'd remove the V tailpiece I think that'd look better!