Guitars

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

No offence to our hardtail loving DEAN brothers and sisters...

but IMO it's is going out of hand..just look at the forum...you'll see Dean Z holding.....a HARDTAIL....and a big HARDTAIL headstock..

Look at the DEAN main page you see "the perfect Christmasgift" with, you guessed it right, two HARDTAILS....

then we have the main banner on top of the page which shows amanda and a HARDTAIL...

The ad from the Guitar player mag, ALTHOUGH the editors pick award was given to the V, features a BIG pic of the HARDTAIL in the background....

there's also a BIG section for the collectors edition HARDTAIL on the main page...IMO this doesn't do justice to DEANs heritage and neglects the (majority) of people here that like the pointy headstock and the "vintage" models like the Caddy the ML the V and the Z!

I have nothing against the hardtail and I am shure it is a cool guitar but I find it almost disturbing you almost don't see a pointy headstock on the whole DEAN page, and if so it's very small!!

I am a big fan of the old school DEANs and I just felt I had to say something about it.
Of course think the Hardtail should be featured here but not in this overwhelming and dominating manner!

I mean no offence to DEAN or the Hardtail loving community but i think even those two groups have to agree with me a little about this matter!

Cheers

Hans

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Yup !!

Theres a Big Fookin V Headstuck missing Very Happy

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 1:25 pm

I was wondering the same thing Hans.... erh ... and no offense taken! LOL!

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Yeah thanx man....

It really "offends" me in a way..I love DEAN to death I mean I have 10 DEANs...it just doesn't represent DEAN in the way many people see the company..

There's nothing wrong if they expand their horizons to PRS like guitars, or even fender like (OK OK I can go too far!) but DEAN will always be the guitars with the pointy Headstock that is what sets them apart from other manufacturers!

When I say DEAN almost all people who know what I am talking about (not too many here) say V or Explorer (they don;t know about Z) or ML!

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You mean it doesn't represent Dean in the way YOU see the company. I could go the rest of my life without seeing another pointy headstock or pointy guitar. Some like them, some don't.

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NO it has nothing to do with me, it's fine you don;t liek pointy guitars but then you're better of with fender, Ibanez or PRS for a company!

DEAN is associated with those guitars and they are the reason many people like DEAN...no ioffence Lonm but I don;t get it if you don;t like pointy guitars anymore that's fine and if you still post in the DEAN forum also fine (even appreciated!)

But you have to admit DEAN is still a stronghold for people that DO like pointy guitars, and there's still plenty out there....

It's the same as systematically disregarding Les Paul models at teh Gibson site or stratocasters on the fender site IMO!

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The reason could be as simple as $$$ and Demographics.

Buyers that can afford high end guitars "USUALLY" like a little more traditional style of guitars so the marketing push is moving in that direction.

For instance...lets see how many of these so called high end guitars at NAMM are something other than the "Hardtail" or "Caddy".

I like variety, the V is my fav...I'd love to see that on the site more...

2 Cents

PEACE OUT!

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

Agreed Bloyd I don;t say they should ban guitars like the Hardtail but just pay more attention to the TC's!

I know quite a few of us here own one or more...I own 5, I see a rising interest in teh Dutch guitar forums too for the pointy DEANs I have gotten numerous questions about them...

Certainly after I took some of mine to a Guitar forum meeting.

Keep things balanced I say, not as one sided as now!

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My point was that this forum has been all about Vs, Zs, and MLs forever. Nobody complained when that's all that is ever talked about. I'm not saying ignore them at all, they're what Dean was founded on, the bedrock of the company. I just thought it was a little silly to complain because there's not a V, Z, or ML on every square inch of the website. I for one like looking at something new for a change. No offense meant.

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spacebeer wrote:

No offence...

Blah Blah Blah

Blah Blah Blah

I am a big fan of the old school DEANs Blah Blah Blah

Cheers

Hans

DITTO!! OLDSCHOOL 4EVER!!!!

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Lon wrote:

My point was that this forum has been all about Vs, Zs, and MLs forever. Nobody complained when that's all that is ever talked about. I'm not saying ignore them at all, they're what Dean was founded on, the bedrock of the company. I just thought it was a little silly to complain because there's not a V, Z, or ML on every square inch of the website. I for one like looking at something new for a change. No offense meant.

INdeed, and I think that's partly what this forum is about...of course the hardtail has become part of teh family no problem....

But there alwasy has been a strong HT dominance on the DEAN site, have even stated this before over a year ago...but it has become worse and worse ever since...

I don;t see how you could ever complain about a V, ML, Caddy or Z on this particular forum for they ARE dean....
I don;t have any problems with people discussings EVO's or Hardtails, GREAT IMO, but just look it's all hardtail the whole freaking DEAN site...the HT is only one model DEAN carries.

PS Lon, you are still featured at the pointyguitars.com site...LOL

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FAKK FAKK FAKK NOW THERES 1 ON THE FORUM s#%t ARGH IM GOING MAD!!!

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I can see Hans' point. On the other hand, the HT is a new model and it is normal to push it as much as possible. Brian brings up a good point too. People such as myself do like a more traditional looking guitar which is why I have three HT's and two eVo Millenniums and only one Z. I had a TC Caddy briefly, but it wasn't the guitar for me. I'm not sure, but I believe Dean sells almost as many HTs as they sell Zs, Vs and MLs combined.

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Really? I kinda thought the Hardtails were slow selling. Don't know why I thought that, just did.

Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 6:37 pm

I don't care for the Hardtail. I love the ML. Its Dean's site, we are there guests and they can do whatever they want. Just gonna have to respect that. Yes, Id like to see badass ML with a smokin brunette holding it but it's their site and we need to be glad we have what we have.

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Hardtail is the most expensive model Rolling Eyes

(or am I wrong? =))

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 46 Location: Gorham, ME

How 'bout a Hardtail bass- that I could dig. Laughing

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I say show all models....

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Well i can see atleas 1 Series II headstock on the page! Smile

*yay*

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:23 am

I'm not so 'offended', I do think it's a pity that they're making so many kickas$ new V's and ML's (refer to the PS page) yet they don't advertise the piccies. I too am a little sick of the Hardtails. The Caddy and the ML are the signature of DEAN. They should be advertised somewhere. Evil or Very Mad

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I bet a Blue Cadillac Bass would be on the front page.........if they ever made one...................... for me Rolling Eyes

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Why dont you order a custom Trans Blue Caddy Bass? A few 100$ more than a TC Bass Caddy (probably) and precicley after your wishes?

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Dime,
I've tried that one .....

answer no plans for a US bass line yet ....

we'll see after NAMM what they come up with !!

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Would be great to have a Caddy bass allover the page...or one of those very nice V's tehy made recently (see Guitar player review!)

I bought that issue of Guitar PLayer for € 11,40 which equals $ 15 I must be crazy but I wanted to have it because of the DEANs!

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:36 am

Roll on NAMM! They gots ta have something goin on for the 4 stringers... Smile

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HELL YEAH !! sure hope so !

hey Phil !

did you get the pics ? Very Happy

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What pics?

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hehe... I sent Ponch (Phil) some pics yesterday ! Wink

it was nothing really Very Happy

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:49 am

Yup. *DROOLAGE*...

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Oh him Phil! Very Happy

Sorry for mistaken Personality! Embarassed

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Dim3 wrote:

Oh him Phil! Very Happy

Sorry for mistaken Personality! Embarassed

I tought your name was Ville?

Mikko

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Yea, but when we were to the states summer of '01, i met a guy that was named Will, and he thaught it was hard to Prenounce Ville, and My Nickname is Fille, so we decided on to call me Phil... I bet its much easier for evry1 to Call me Phil than Ville, and I like the name Phil, suits me in some way! Smile

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:49 am

Hahaha! Too many Phil's... Laughing

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hehehe Phil it up Laughing

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lmao!

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i agree with you hans on the lack of traditional and original dean guitars being advertised. everyone can make a lespaul fender or prs shaped guitar but no one else makes a bad a$$ ml like dean does. they should point that out instead of advertising another prs copy like every other company. in short they should exploit their originality.

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:08 am

PRS copy? I think not..... the HT is better! LOL!

As you were......

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:10 am

When your at DOA, ask Elliott about percentages and sales figures. You'll be suprised how much of Dean's sales is covered by pointy guitars.

At DOAII, Elliott told us he can't keep up dealer orders for the Hardtail - they literally could not meet demand for them. These guitars were "hot", they are what the buying public wants. The Hardtail is were Dean is putting thier money and efforts to bring the company to the forefront - which by the way they are accomplishing nicely (anyone see the guitar player article).

If you want to be a niche market guitar company, then market your pointy guitars - which I love by the way. But, if you want to become a major player and thrive in todays current market, then a Hardtail type model is what is selling. Just about every mainstream MTV act these days is playing PRS - and like it or not - that sells a ton of guitars.

Todays top selling guitars are round with outrageous tops! What has happened to the finishes on guitars in the last 5 years is incredible and is completely due to companies like PRS and Dean taking it to the next level.

I have a feeling that the pointy guitar fans will be very disappointed with Namm. I think your gonna see an influx of cheaper and more affordable rounded models. Dean will always stay true to thier roots - thats why they have the TC line of guitars. Heck, they even went one step further and created the 79 line as a direct response to die hard pointy fans. But thats not where the sales are. How long has the TC line been out and I can still find guitars from the original numbered and signed release in the dealers stores. Hardly a sign of great demand.

Pointy guitar fans already know Dean - that's why your here. What they are doing with the Hardtail and EVO is bringing in tons of new fans!!

The easiest way I can sum it up is this. I have a TC Z, 25th Caddy, V, DOA Caddy and a Hardtail. All my guitar playing friends, without exception, think the Hardtail is the nicest guitar. Heck, even Mrs. Diz thinks it's he nicest one - as she says - "that blue one sure is a nice looking guitar". There in lies your answer....marketing..........

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 10:22 am

Well said Peter!

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

That is a shame then I have played two hardtails and none of them could stand op tonewise with my custom ML and red V.....but they are shure well built guitars...

I see no reason at all to disregard the "traditional" DEANs also referred to as being "non traditional" LOL what is it then??

I mean teh PRS style is the flavour of the day but i already see the demise as they are associated too much with modern rock, punk and metal bands which are becoming increasingly less popular to make room for the next big thing!

I see more and more pointy guitars on MTV it obviously has become fashionable to play V's again, be it GIBSON V's!

I think you shouldn';t bet on one horse...and certainly not disregard your die hard fans!

As I said before no offence but teh HT does nothing for me....but that doesn;t mean I don;t want ot to be featured just not in the dominating way it is now!

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Diz is right, i cant argue a word he said!

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:52 am

Your missing the point. They don't need to attract you to the forum Hans, your already here. To attract new people - you use "the flavour of the day".

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I think hans point was that V's, ML's and Z's are the guitars he's gonna buy, and that he doessnt have a problem with Dean producing hardtails and all, but that He'd allso lke to see some traditional V headstocks on the site, cause most of the "Old time" guitarists know Dean for their V shaped headstock...

But diz point is that to attract "young" players to dean they have to have a big marketing campaign to be succesfull! "PRS" Shaped Guitars are hot on the market and Dean doesnt want to be left behind on the market!

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Does your wife appreciate it when you put no effort in her anymore because you already got her???

Seriously....I think there's lots of people coming to the orum because of the pointy DEANs and not ONLY for the HT or EVO's....

IMO the pointies are a strong point for DEAN maybe even an Unique selling pont, whereas on the HT market there's lotsa contenders...and how much we love DEAN not all other makes arE inferior...

Of course to a ceratin extent this also goes for the pointies, but it's not like I say (again) to abendon all the HT ads and pomotion just balance it more!

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spacebeer wrote:

Seriously....I think there's lots of people coming to the forum because of the pointy DEANs and not ONLY for the HT or EVO's!

I came to the forums cause of the ML...

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:35 pm

spacebeer wrote:

Does your wife appreciate it when you put no effort in her anymore because you already got her???

Aw c'mon, that's a little harsh. Were talking about a banner on a web site. This is a company that reissued the TC's for you, let you build a custom guitar, reissued the 79 series - then put floyds on them cause thats what forum members wanted. From where I sit, Dean has done everything they possibly can to keep the "pointy" lovers happy. They have that following and they keep that following VERY happy - that's why you love those pointy guitars so much. Now they are trying to capture and develop a new breed of Dean fan.

Ask Elliott at DOA why they push the Hardtail so much. He'll give you the answer - it's all about marketing and sales figures.

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Truuuue!

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clmazza-i'm mostly talking about appearance. i tend to think that the evos are in some ways better than the lps that they take after in appearance

Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 3:16 pm

redcadillac wrote:

clmazza-i'm mostly talking about appearance. i tend to think that the evos are in some ways better than the lps that they take after in appearance

agreed....

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I dont like the EVO, the upper "Wing" Bending invards? Naah... I think the LP is better lookin...

Just my Two Cents...

Guest

Hans, You were born twenty years too late. The original Chicago Deans numbered around 7500 per Dean Z, and the eVo's sold since this past summer surely outnumber them. Don't take my word for it, ask Dean and Elliott. Pointy High Gain Lickity Split Adolescent Music appeals only to adolescent boys. I used to be one. Got tired/bored with playing really fast and loud to a crowd of black T-shirted pimple faced boys. Really wasn't very fullfilling after the first three years... Then I learned how to actually play a guitar and write intelligent lyricced songs with more than three chords, and I must say, that I now live for the next time that I can get my eVo or a Hardtail in my paws. I'll tell ya this, folks: I literally cringe when listening to the recordings of the music I used to play with those pointy guitars(even tho I was convinced that it was "the $hit" at the time!) or see the pics from those days. Thank God it's all gone out of print. And, I'm as proud of the music I'm creating now, as I am of my Kids. You're in the midst of a phase, enjoy it while it lasts. Twenty years from now, if you're still playing music, you'll curse me more about being right about this, than you are cursing me now! Laughing

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Hans

I being a newbie HT owner (glad as hell I own one) remember on the old forum that u had to search for a HT thread and when I got mine some 6 months ago only a few HT owners even gave me a congrats (could of been to public opinion Crying or Very sad

<LOL>) but TC's Z's ML's have always been talk of the town around here. I understand the fact that the MASCOT LOGO for dean guitars is the V headstock, I think the HT headstock is the new modified version of that and I (being old school) think it's great(some old, some new). The old Caddy in the 80's was the bomb, part LP, part Explorer, but had that headstock that no one else had. All the old deans except for that and ML's were body copies, the quality and workmanship is what it is all about!
This site will always change and the V headstock will be showcased again, no worries.

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I am personally very offended by this thread Crying or Very sad

. I love my Hardtail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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deanmaniac wrote:

Hans, You were born twenty years too late. The original Chicago Deans numbered around 7500 per Dean Z, and the eVo's sold since this past summer surely outnumber them. Don't take my word for it, ask Dean and Elliott. Pointy High Gain Lickity Split Adolescent Music appeals only to adolescent boys. I used to be one. Got tired/bored with playing really fast and loud to a crowd of black T-shirted pimple faced boys. Really wasn't very fullfilling after the first three years... Then I learned how to actually play a guitar and write intelligent lyricced songs with more than three chords, and I must say, that I now live for the next time that I can get my eVo or a Hardtail in my paws. I'll tell ya this, folks: I literally cringe when listening to the recordings of the music I used to play with those pointy guitars(even tho I was convinced that it was "the $hit" at the time!) or see the pics from those days. Thank God it's all gone out of print. And, I'm as proud of the music I'm creating now, as I am of my Kids. You're in the midst of a phase, enjoy it while it lasts. Twenty years from now, if you're still playing music, you'll curse me more about being right about this, than you are cursing me now! Laughing

@ Dizzy partly agreed, of course DEAN does a lot and that's why I love DEAN but after all I am still a customer.....
It still doesn'tr change much to my initial point but let's hope they'll soon change the site a little like they do once in a while...

I guess I am different than you after all....this "phase" as you call it latst for 14 years now....that's more than half my life.
Maybe some change with age my mother always sai this would happen but it hasn't and only become worse, that being said I am hardly adolescent anymore at 25 years of age....

I have friends who are far nito their 30's and still going strong after 25 years of metal, but you don;t NEED to play metal to appreciate pointies, this is a popular misunderstanding IMO!

A lot of classic rock bands play em and veen a lot of "hip" britpop and radio rock bands on MTV....I have seen blues players play pointies too....

Just think of Albert King, Gary Moore, Lenny Kravitz, The Scorpions, UFO, etc etc (I can't remember all the names I seen recently lpaying pointies!)

I like non pointy guitars too, I am a big LP fan, like Dim3 ik even prefer a LP to a EVO shapewise, I like SG's a LOT (ok you could call that pointy).....here ya go, it's not liek i am ONLY into pointies but mostly that is indeed the case, but I like all teh poiny shapes equally ...

Apart from that I NEVER said DEAN could ONLY feature pointies....on contrary, they should feature all models possible!

@Aplifire of course you love your HT I am shure they are very cool, I played two myself and in deed they play nicely and look killer in their own respect...I never dissed the HT as such I just say they are over represented at the DEAN site.....

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 3:16 am

There is space in the banner for a wicked ML. Perhaps we could come to a happy compromise? Smile

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Even my mom'd smile... (Shes allways mad bout sumthin... Confused

)

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I agree with a lot you say Tone..

But I am NOT an old guy being nostalgic and to me the pointy guitars are as relevant today as they ever were!

They are not some cool relics of a time long gone, I stated it befoer I played two HT's and some PRS' guitars and high end LP's at the guitar meeting a few weeks back..and I definately preferred my ML and TC Z...if only it were for the V neck and the IMO more articulate tone...

I am shure there will be those who think otherwise, and that is not a problem, everybody is entitled to it's own opinion, but I hate it if Pointy guitars ae being dismissed as "relics"...

I hope things will change in teh future and DEAN will have a more balaced image mirroring on the page....
For I think pointies are still a strong seller or DEAN, and will always remain so...

Just looks at the polls being posted here some time ago teh ML was by far teh winner as favourite shape! and I know that not all ML lovers (I just take the ML for an example here cuold also be teh Caddy, Z or V) post here on the board!

Fashion changes always, but some models just never go out of fashion I think the poities are a few of them since the original designs are from 1958 already and they are still as actual today!

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:25 am

ponch wrote:

There is space in the banner for a wicked ML. Perhaps we could come to a happy compromise? Smile

BUMP!

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hehehe.... the space is there for my future Blue Caddy Bass Laughing

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:48 am

Just for the record - even though I have a varied collection of Dean models - I personally think the pointy's are the best looking! Guess I never got over that phase either!!

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Bernt wrote:

hehehe.... the space is there for my future Blue Caddy Bass Laughing

Lmao! Second that! Wink

Guest

spacebeer wrote:

I agree with a lot you say Tone..

But I am NOT an old guy being nostalgic and to me the pointy guitars are as relevant today as they ever were!

They are not some cool relics of a time long gone, I stated it befoer I played two HT's and some PRS' guitars and high end LP's at the guitar meeting a few weeks back..and I definately preferred my ML and TC Z...if only it were for the V neck and the IMO more articulate tone...

I am shure there will be those who think otherwise, and that is not a problem, everybody is entitled to it's own opinion, but I hate it if Pointy guitars ae being dismissed as "relics"...

I hope things will change in teh future and DEAN will have a more balaced image mirroring on the page....
For I think pointies are still a strong seller or DEAN, and will always remain so...

Just looks at the polls being posted here some time ago teh ML was by far teh winner as favourite shape! and I know that not all ML lovers (I just take the ML for an example here cuold also be teh Caddy, Z or V) post here on the board!

Fashion changes always, but some models just never go out of fashion I think the poities are a few of them since the original designs are from 1958 already and they are still as actual today!

You've got alot of passion and moxie there, young Hans. It's good to be willing to stand up for your beliefs' and voice your opinion. Your posts have made me "put myself in your shoes" so to speak, and see your point of view. So... Yes, if I were a young'un again, I'm sure I'd feel as you do. I'm sure that the original things that attracted me to Deans' designs aren't too far away from yours' and everyone elses' here, as well. The big differences come from how long we stay, and why we stay. This perplexes the heck outta me, man. We're soooo diverse. I mean this forum changes alot, but one thing that remains common is: the core or base populous of posters tend to be made up of people just starting out. Or semi/serious guitarists. Hobbyists, even. Now some of these hobbyists buy many, many guitars. Then, they admonish themselves for being lackluster players. To me,(keeping in mind that this is a guitar oriented forum) they should spend more time playing and less time typing. But to each his own, right? This is not directed at you or anyone personally, just my observations. Might be common to all guitar forums, I dunno, I only use this one once in a while. I admit that I get frustrated with the mindset and take time away frequently. But this forum is like some kinda lab experiment,or eco-culture that draws me back. That, and I have made some real-lasting friendships here. It is not my intention to de/value anyones' personal relationship with his/her favorite guitar be they Dean or otherwise, in anyway. Also, if yours' is pointy, more power to you! I am simply intrigued with people, I guess. And at seeing how differing our veiwpoints can be, and wondering with amazement, sometimes how they are arrived at. Dang Tom! Maybe I'm AM at a midlife crisis, ya stinker! I also appologize if my comments seem biting at times. They are not meant to be. That's why I try to inject a healthy supply of smilies into 'em, hehe. But I have reread some and seen how they could be taken other ways. Usually I'm only at the computer if I'm emailing or listening to mixes. So I'm doing two or three things at once. Like now.... What are we talking about? Shocked

I forget!

Enjoy being young and having fun. It's your time to make memories! Cuz the time does come when you will NEED THEM! However foggy the may be! mf

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I say sure it has been over Beautified, But ,
It's a what $2,800. USD Guitar , I don't Know a Lot of People
that have the money to go a blow it on a single guitar (even the the craftmanship is amazing since I was able to play my Freind's).

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Everyone will hate this post, but I gotta say it. Fender has had the Strat and Tele around since the 50's. They have remained unchanged in appearance, give or take different configurations of pickups and electronics. Their market hasn't diminished because they will always have a following of those simple designs. They have tried different models that were short lived such as Coranado's and a few other's. The Strat and Tele shape has always remained constant. I think Dean has done the same thing with V's, ML's and other pointy guitars. There will always be a market for them and owners will always be happy with them. I think Dean is doing what any company would do and that is to promote their premier guitar. They will always continue to sell a high volume of pointy guitars, but the premier Hard Tails are the money makers. Just good marketing IMO.

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hsech wrote:

Everyone will hate this post, but I gotta say it. Fender has had the Strat and Tele around since the 50's. They have remained unchanged in appearance, give or take different configurations of pickups and electronics. Their market hasn't diminished because they will always have a following of those simple designs. They have tried different models that were short lived such as Coranado's and a few other's. The Strat and Tele shape has always remained constant. I think Dean has done the same thing with V's, ML's and other pointy guitars. There will always be a market for them and owners will always be happy with them. I think Dean is doing what any company would do and that is to promote their premier guitar. They will always continue to sell a high volume of pointy guitars, but the premier Hard Tails are the money makers. Just good marketing IMO.

+1

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

hsech wrote:

Everyone will hate this post, but I gotta say it. Fender has had the Strat and Tele around since the 50's. They have remained unchanged in appearance, give or take different configurations of pickups and electronics. Their market hasn't diminished because they will always have a following of those simple designs. They have tried different models that were short lived such as Coranado's and a few other's. The Strat and Tele shape has always remained constant. I think Dean has done the same thing with V's, ML's and other pointy guitars. There will always be a market for them and owners will always be happy with them. I think Dean is doing what any company would do and that is to promote their premier guitar. They will always continue to sell a high volume of pointy guitars, but the premier Hard Tails are the money makers. Just good marketing IMO.

LOL, here we go again I don;t agree what makes the HT premier over the TC's????

the same materials were used, they are totally in the same class and pricerange give or take a few dollars which don't really matter at those prices....

I also am not shure wethere the HT is more of a money maker...I think there's been a lot of TC's sold...

again...just balance the attention a bit....I think there should be a pointy headstock over the forum banner, I don;t care if it's alongside the HT Headstock if only it's there...

Oh and DEANMANIC, no offence taken but i just wanna make a point, I don;t want to bash anything or anyone...and I respect all opinions...but theres' been too little attention on the TC range of late..

maybe they sell themselves I don;t know, it's another more positive way of explaining it...but I'd love to see some more since I love those freaking weird shapes with killer tops and V heastocks..

And even better the proud winged logo on it, in my case neatly laid in with MOP LOL!

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 2:55 pm

iu could have told you this thread had disaster written all over it when it first showed up. how do you set yourselves up like this??

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

No it's not a disater at all, you can always talk about these things in a civilzed manner Very Happy

Sometimes you should just speak your mind IMO, better than to be silent about things

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4381 Location: Vaasa, Finland

I didnt notice a disaster in this Topic?

Indeed, i think Dean should be Promoting the V, ML, Caddy, Z more, but still, promote the Cash-maker aswell!

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 111 Location: Texas Gulf Coast

Let me try again. Let's say good business to promote the "Newest Addition to the Line Up" instead of "Premier". Premier is a relative term and is in the eye of the beholder. I think most of Dean's pointy guitars sell themselves by reputation and brand loyalty. The Hard Tails are a relatively new concept and design so they are receiving the most exposure. Once again, only IMO.