Hey Dean Z: How about a Hardtail Singlecut!!!

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I was just playing my HT for the past 2 hours and man does it KILL!!! I a/b'd it with my 01' LP Custom and the HT BLEW IT AWAY! Cool

. I'd sell my Custom for sure if Dean came out with a Singlecut version of the HT.

Just a thought...any others agree!?!

(Sorry Hans for starting another HT thread Wink

. We're still Dean players and Powerball lovers Very Happy

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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:07 am

+ Freakin 1!!! If they did this I WOULD DEFINITELY buy one. There I said it. How long until NAMM again?

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That would be interesting, It would definitely get my attention.

Mikko

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Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:23 am

Uh...no I'd still want the Hardtail electroics (2 vol 2 tone).

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Evo....

If they would release a singlecut HT, id buy one....

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.......or a Cadillac doublecut Question

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Hey look, Hotrat actually PLAYS that purple guitar!! Very Happy

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Bernt wrote:

.......or a Cadillac doublecut Question

double cut... Hmm...

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With the baby guitar and the baby amp, he looks like a giant!

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 10:55 am

Hotrat wrote:

I think a USA Evo would solve this problem.

DEAN tried a USA eVo once and sold THREE. Number two, the eVo is a guitar that was designed by someone who no longer works for DEAN. My guess is if you see a single cut AT ALL, it will be a version of the HardTail.

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I think the EvO Looks like oatmeal...

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:02 am

... of course you could always buy one of these...

Come on!! Did anyone think I could resist??

Guest

Shameless I tell you..... Shocked

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Yea, but ive never tested out a Chafin, so ill stick with Dean...

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:22 am

We have discussed a single cut Tail many times in the past - if a single cut does come out - like Jay said - it will be a tail.

And no - a USA EVO wouldn't work. Like Jay said - no one bought them. They were suppossed to make 50 millenium EVO's and stopped after 3 - no demand!

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:29 am

Dim3 wrote:

Yea, but ive never tested out a Chafin, so ill stick with Dean...

Have you played an eVo? a Del Sol? SARASOTA? Then you have played a Chafin! Actually Ben was co designer of the HardTail!

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:38 am

Dim3 wrote:

Yea, but ive never tested out a Chafin, so ill stick with Dean...

Yea - c'mon Jay - you can't compare Bens work to that of Dean Guitars....... Rolling Eyes

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 11:51 am

DizzyDean wrote:

Yea - c'mon Jay - you can't compare Bens work to that of Dean Guitars....... Rolling Eyes

A lot of DEAN Guitars ARE Ben's work! Actually you're right in a way. Ben's guitars are all built by hand by Ben HIMSELF. He would never send a guitar to a dealer that wasn't up to his standards. Wink

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Jayba the Hutt wrote:

Dim3 wrote:

Yea, but ive never tested out a Chafin, so ill stick with Dean...

Have you played an eVo? a Del Sol? SARASOTA? Then you have played a Chafin! Actually Ben was co designer of the HardTail!

I ment a Chafin Custom Guitar, the BRAND...

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:26 pm

Jayba the Hutt wrote:

A lot of DEAN Guitars ARE Ben's work! Wink

Dude - I knew that! That was an attempt (all be it a failed one) at sarcasm!! (and yes I caught the Wink

)

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Dim3 wrote:

I think the EvO Looks like oatmeal...

Aw C'mon, if ya can't play nice, jeeeez... The ML looks like 1980's oatmeal to me, so there... And I should know. I wielded one in battle all thru the eighties. Unfortunately, I think Jay izz probably gonna prove to be prophetic with his USA Evo comments. They already said the Icon is history. The Evo being Benjys' as well, can't be far behind. Without there having been a Ben Chafin, there is no Hardtail, there most likely is no Dean Guitars for DZ to return to when he is ready to reenter this circus, and no Dean Guitars for one Mr. Elliott R. to rise from the dead. Ponder that awhile. While pondering, add this, Ben has built (and sold) Waaay more guitars than DZ. The point could be made that DZ really only invented two guitars, the ML and the Caddy. The others are cookie cuttered from these two and several Gibson designs. This to me is why the Hardtail is sooo kicka$$. Dean really outdid himself! It's original, beautiful and a goddamm tone factory! I don't think a singlecut would add much to the mix, personally. I don't really care where I hook my strap, I guess... I am still dying a million deaths every day, waiting for winter NAMM and the droolalicious photos that will surely follow! But jeeez guys, let's try to get along, eh? Ps, I luv Jayba and Ben, and I don't care who knows it! Very Happy

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deanmaniac wrote:

Dim3 wrote:

I think the EvO Looks like oatmeal...

Aw C'mon, if ya can't play nice, jeeeez... The ML looks like 1980's oatmeal to me, so there...

Hey, fine by me! I dont care if you think they look like shait! Im still going to keep buying them...

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Dim3 wrote:

deanmaniac wrote:

Dim3 wrote:

I think the EvO Looks like oatmeal...

Aw C'mon, if ya can't play nice, jeeeez...

Hey, fine by me! I dont care if you think they look like shait! Im still going to keep buying them...

More power to ya! Buy lot's and lot's of em. Buy em from dealers, tho, not Ebay where the company doesn't reap much benefit. Vintage is cool, but the current stuff iz what floats this boat, if ya know what I mean.

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Yes, indeed!

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 4:00 pm

Dim3 wrote:

I think the EvO Looks like oatmeal...

Actuall - everytime I see one I think of a Beluga Whale! Theres actually a lot of similarities!

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Maniac, what you said about the HT is very true, i agree that the HT Definatley keeps dean alive... But you just wait, i feel that the pointy guitars will be in style again... Under these 3 years lots more MLs, Caddys, Zs and Vs will be sold... Like the guitar shop in town, they only order stuff that peapole want, and at the moment they got a Gibson V, Epi Korina V, Jackson RR3, RR5, KV... A few months ago they just had Sum Gibson 'Pauls, 2 PRS's and a few Hamers, fenders... Stuff like that...

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DizzyDean wrote:

We have discussed a single cut Tail many times in the past - if a single cut does come out - like Jay said - it will be a tail.

Man...that would be awesome!!! Very Happy

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:47 pm

DizzyDean wrote:

Dude - I knew that! That was an attempt (all be it a failed one) at sarcasm!! (and yes I caught the Wink

)

I'm a dumbass Rolling Eyes

Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 9:50 pm

can someone photoshop this one? i'm having a hard time immagining this one.

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Jayba the Hutt wrote:

... of course you could always buy one of these...

Come on!! Did anyone think I could resist??

I probably will...NO, I will buy one...mmmm...maybe Orange with a Cedar or Korina body/neck...MannMade Trem/Piezo...mmmm..."matchmaker options"...mmmm...oh sorry, I was day(typing)dreaming... Shocked

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:03 am

Well I'm sorry but I just can't get over the 'Tele-ness' of the Embers. There. I said it. I know they're not Tele'sbut every time I look at one I think 'Tele!' so I guess it's just not my vibe.

But apart from that - WTF is up with the Hardtail Vs. Pointies arguments that are popping up around here lately? Also if somebody doesn't like something, then what's the point in spraying it everywhere? Go talk about something you like for god's sake. Let's keep this new forum clean gang.

Now back to the topic. I think the EVO has had it's day. It is a guitar with alot of strengths against a LP (superior design for one thing) and weaknesses too (why have 2 humbuckers and virtually no control over them - hello?). Dean need to take the Hardtail which has proven for many members around here to be a kickas$, priceless part of their collections, and move along with the design. It has to happen sometime.

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ponch wrote:

Well I'm sorry but I just can't get over the 'Tele-ness' of the Embers. There. I said it. I know they're not Tele'sbut every time I look at one I think 'Tele!' so I guess it's just not my vibe.

But apart from that - WTF is up with the Hardtail Vs. Pointies arguments that are popping up around here lately? Also if somebody doesn't like something, then what's the point in spraying it everywhere? Go talk about something you like for god's sake. Let's keep this new forum clean gang.

Now back to the topic. I think the EVO has had it's day. It is a guitar with alot of strengths against a LP (superior design for one thing) and weaknesses too (why have 2 humbuckers and virtually no control over them - hello?). Dean need to take the Hardtail which has proven for many members around here to be a kickas$, priceless part of their collections, and move along with the design. It has to happen sometime.

i did have a problem with the HT overexposure not with the HT itself!

Cheers!

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:36 am

I know that dude, and you were right. I think the BFH should be represented instead of the HT stock as the BFH is a DEAN icon. I just have a problem with those who think it's an invitation to start a pointless 'which is better' thread. A DEAN is only as good as the sh!t you throw down with it... Twisted Evil

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there *needs* to be a USA Evo.. there is no doubt.. and they need to be on the level of the Millenium Evos.. a true, single-cut HT alternative.. there needs to be more control over the pickups.. true, it would be even more LP-ish with four knobs, but that's the defacto in controls..

the HT is a blend of LP (construction), Strat (bodyshape) and PRS (refinement)..

a USA Evo offering is needed.. and there should be some really nice finishes on them.. like the HT..

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and the Embers are Teles..

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:59 am

Also whoever mentioned the Milleniums not selling - they were a bit ugly. That fretboard inlay was ridiculous! If they would have made a USA EVO with nice appointments I'm sure they would have sold buckets.

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I really wanted to stay out of this fray, but I can't. First off yes Ben Chafin was very instrumental in the "rising of the phoenix" of DEAN guitars if you will. His designs are still being built today by Dean.

The Ember in no way is a tele, I know because I own two of them, they are far superior to the Evo, and to the Fender telecaster. Now if you think the body style looks "tele-ish" so what a DEAN Z looks like a Gibson, the V looks like a Gibson, the Caddy looks like a Les Paul another Gibson, the Hardtail a PRS,(it even says so in the recent magazine article on DEAN Time Capsule Guitars) the Icon looks like a PRS, the Avalance a Strat, and the EVo a Les Paul also.

The tone sound and playability is what seperates DEAN guitars from the others.

That is the same thing with the Chafin Custom Guitars, and the fact that they are truly all handmade, handbuilt, start to finish.

The Ember is in a league of it's own, just listen to the full length tune that you all commented about that I posted that is a Chafin Custom Guitars Ember. Ben has taken his design the Evo and put it in a somewhat different body shape and improved on HIS original design. As Jay eluded to I don't think you will see a USA Evo, I would be willing to speculate that there is some sort of agreement preventing that from happening. Jaus as Ben couldn't make an exact carbon copy of the Evo, NOW THIS IS ALL JUST PURELY SPECULATION ON MY PART, and I may very well be wrong.

Bernt and Mikko have heard a new sound clip of the Ember and if either wants to figure how to put it in the forum they can go ahead.
It is a get down and gritty part of a lead in to a song I am working on and I will tell you no tele ever sounded like this.
Bill

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Here's the clip Bill is talking about:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/~aitt/Bluesman%20Stolen%20Heart.mp3

I really dig this tone as I told to Bill earlier.

Mikko

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Mikko,
Man once again thanks you come to my rescue I am indebted to you.
Bill

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Dude, that was really good!!!! Shocked

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:18 am

bloyd wrote:

Jayba the Hutt wrote:

... of course you could always buy one of these...

Come on!! Did anyone think I could resist??

I probably will...NO, I will buy one...mmmm...maybe Orange with a Cedar or Korina body/neck...MannMade Trem/Piezo...mmmm..."matchmaker options"...mmmm...oh sorry, I was day(typing)dreaming... Shocked

You know, I think I have seen such a guitar in an incompleted state. Very nice... I posted a pic but thought better and deleted it.

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No problem Bill! Just keep me up to date on your projects. Smile

Mikko

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 8:28 am

.. as far as the Tele comparisons go, I think "Arch top, set neck Tele with state of the art hardware, electronics and craftsmanship" is what Ben had in mind so how can I argue with that. Like Bill says though, if the looks of the guitar says "Tele" that where it ends. This is no one trick pony although there is twang is it's VAST repertoire. Maybe a nice double cut Chafin will win a few more over.. we'll just have to wait and see.

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Jayba the Hutt wrote:

bloyd wrote:

Jayba the Hutt wrote:

... of course you could always buy one of these...

Come on!! Did anyone think I could resist??

I probably will...NO, I will buy one...mmmm...maybe Orange with a Cedar or Korina body/neck...MannMade Trem/Piezo...mmmm..."matchmaker options"...mmmm...oh sorry, I was day(typing)dreaming... Shocked

You know, I think I have seen such a guitar in an incompleted state. Very nice... I posted a pic but thought better and deleted it.

Ditto...this is the Dean Guitars forum and no need to ruffle feathers, I respect Dean Z and Elliott and everyone on this board...we all still love Dean Guitars or we wouldn't visit anymore right?

However, I for one feel a connection between the Dean Guitars brand and the Chafin's due to the history, which makes me wanna post about some of Ben's work but outta respect I refrain...for now Wink

Oh, Ben is not gonna make single-cut guitars forever ya know...?

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hehehe... I heard the clip last night ... and the riff is still humming in my head ..... can't get it out .... AWESOME !!

IMHO ... it's THE blues guitar !! awesome sound Bill !!

Very Happy

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Bernt wrote:

hehehe... I heard the clip last night ... and the riff is still humming in my head ..... can't get it out .... AWESOME !!

IMHO ... it's THE blues guitar !! awesome sound Bill !!

Very Happy

Hold off on labeling the “Ember” as a blues guitar…time will tell… Wink

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Brian,
I agree I wouldn't label this as strictly a blues guitar, just my style of playing. Hmmmm....double cut away............ Wink

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Justnoldbluzman wrote:

Brian,
I agree I wouldn't label this as strictly a blues guitar, just my style of playing. Hmmmm....double cut away............ Wink

...double cut away it is... Wink

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Ok, ok, ok not Blues guitar ... just guitar Laughing

the Guitar still sounds AWESOME !!

........ Brian .... Bill ....

hehehe..... I get the Feeling you two guys are holding back something Very Happy

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Bernt wrote:

Ok, ok, ok not Blues guitar ... just guitar Laughing

the Guitar still sounds AWESOME !!

........ Brian .... Bill ....

hehehe..... I get the Feeling you two guys are holding back something Very Happy

mmmm...are we holding something back Bill? Twisted Evil

Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 9:45 am

I will say this (even though I wasn't asked), there isn't even a completed prototype for a double cutaway Chafin. A double cut may be the next to be unveiled but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Jayba the Hutt wrote:

I will say this (even though I wasn't asked), there isn't even a completed prototype for a double cutaway Chafin. A double cut may be the next to be unveiled but I wouldn't hold my breath.

mmmmm....

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YOU GUYS

......................... Wink

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ponch wrote:

Also whoever mentioned the Milleniums not selling - they were a bit ugly. That fretboard inlay was ridiculous! If they would have made a USA EVO with nice appointments I'm sure they would have sold buckets.

Yup, ugliest guitars I have ever seen. Laughing

Guest

The only problem with the selling of the USA eVo's was the price kiddees. It was way higher than the Hardtail and even the Time Capsules. I almost bought Traps quilt millenium before he did.. The previous owner was trying to pedal it off here in the early days of this forum, remember Jay, Joe and El Tib? I was wanting to check it out before throwing the mooluh at it, but the owner wanted a clear cut sale. Over and done with. Can't remember his name... As I understand it, enuff time passed that Trap gotta helluva deal, and He's to be congratulated for that. Being in the right time at the right place is more than half the deal. Jay also offered me the ember that Bill grabbed. I balked in hopes of a trem equipped ember after NAMM. Again, Bill with his DEEP pockets Laughing

and fast opening wallet was in the right time at the right place, and he too is to be congratulated! Very Happy

He has shown some exquisite taste in guitars, eh? Now, as far as the pointy vs. contempororay issue. I responded to a point blank statement " the evo looks like oatmeal" with a similiar sophmoric recant. Being a smart a$$ and having a childish sense of humor can be a deadly combination, Eh? There really is no heated debate on this issue. It's all in fun. Just don't spew funk over any Dean Model here, in the House O' Dean, and expect me to let it pass. I can't. The Hardtail is light years ahead of the eVo, the evo is light years ahead of every Les Paul I've owned. And it doesn't need more knobs to get more tones than a Les Paul. Don't fall into that trap. Get a decent amp. Rolling back the volume thru a '59 bassman on the pipe (or a modern variation of it), will get you there. No Les Paul can hang with coil tapping. Calling an Ember a Tele is hysterically funnee to me. Don't know whether to laff or cry, sheeeze... You fellas are way to 'shape' oriented. The biggest difference between a Les Paul and an eVo has nuthing to do with the shape, or the number of knobs. It's that the eVo has many, many more usable tones than the Paul. That it can do this with fewer knobs is the highest testament to the 'real' evolution in modern guitar design. It happened here! But, it's still not a Strat. Still the benchmark. Now, what's the skinny on why Ben left? Someone P.M. me. I'm out here in the middle of a cornfeild fercrissakes. Outta the fookin loop... I can't even get my fookin pictures to post! I'm a guitar player, not a goddam scientist, Jim. Shocked

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Jim,
I couldn't have said it any better and you have a PM.
Bill

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Justnoldbluzman wrote:

Jim,
I couldn't have said it any better and you have a PM.
Bill

He he! Thanks Bill, but my name's Mike! Laughing

I was trying to be funnee, as in MR.Spock(star trek) "Dammit I can't show emotion! I'm fookin vulcan, Jim!" Rolling Eyes

gotcher PM, tho! Wink

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I'd love to see a Chafin "Ember" with a trem...
I spoke to Ben about "MannMade" http://www.mannmadeusa.com/vibrato6.htm trems (the original one piece trem used by PRS in the early days).

I'm getting a "MannMade #2000NOS" on my "Chafin" custom guitfiddle!

But alas, I don't think there will be any "Embers" with trems at Winter NAMM Sad

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 2:00 am

trapper189 wrote:

ponch wrote:

Also whoever mentioned the Milleniums not selling - they were a bit ugly. That fretboard inlay was ridiculous! If they would have made a USA EVO with nice appointments I'm sure they would have sold buckets.

Yup, ugliest guitars I have ever seen. Laughing

You totally missed my point. The fretboard inlay is ugly and unclassy when compared to nice block and crown inlays found on most singlecut styles. The fact that they're all the same colour doesn't help either.

All that aside, those are awesome.

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Not my kinda guitars but the tops are incredible!

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Sorry Mike,
Harry

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ponch wrote:

You totally missed my point. The fretboard inlay is ugly and unclassy when compared to nice block and crown inlays found on most singlecut styles. The fact that they're all the same colour doesn't help either.

All that aside, those are awesome.

I got your point. Wink

The Millenniums take a little getting used to and aren't for everyone. Without a bound body, neck and headstock, large block/crown inlay would look out of place. They only made four of them and the color totally enhances the 3D effect of the flame and quilt. I like other colors, but many of them ruin the depth and shimmer the of the maple. The natural and amber finishes are the best, followed by the lighter colors.

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:47 am

I was just trying to make sense of why they only sold 4 of 'em. I know they kick as$, but if they left out the silly inlay (it looks a bit messy) and offered a few more colours like the 'Tail, they probably would have sold buckets. I'd buy one.

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I'm guessing that they didn't sell for a couple of reasons. First, they made four of them. This is sort of obvious, but you can't sell guitars that don't exist. Most people want to see and play a guitar before buying one, especially when you consider then second reason: they were expensive. The next most expensive guitar would have been the Czech models at 1/3 the price. There weren't any other USA models in 1999. I'll bet they made as many as dealers ordered and most dealers were reluctant to order a guitar at this level only to have it hang around in inventory. They could get three Czech guitars that they knew they could move quickly or one Millennium that might take a while to sell.I think the first one was built in March of 2000 and didn't sell until August, while the second one was built in November of 2000 and didn't sell for over a year. I've talked to a few independant dealers and they said the same thing. It's all about inventory turnover.

Now that Dean is establishing itself as a USA guitar company, a new USA single cut guitar is in order. I don't believe it should be based on the HardTail. The HardTail's lines don't lend themselves to a single cut design. It should have the HardTail headstock, but the fingerboard inlay and body should be different. I'd take the general shape of the eVo and make it thinner like the Hardtail with the same kind of sharply carved top as the HardTail. I'd make the bottom part of the body a little less fat and maybe a little less round.

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YOU MEAN LIKE THIS, I COULDN"T RESIST

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Justnoldbluzman wrote:

YOU MEAN LIKE THIS, I COULDN"T RESIST

Nope...not like a Tele. I'd like to see a Singlecut Hardtail Razz

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I agree, I'm not into the "Tele" stying either. I like the inlay on the Evo Millenium, but it's not nearlt as nice as the Hardtail inlay. I still would like to see a USA Evo. Just some appointents from the Hardtail; Natural wood "binding," headstock, cool inlays, etc.

hmmmmm, drool.

Tim

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I think a USA EVO would be killer. What I can't figure out is why the neck joints on those two in the picture are different. They end on different frets.
Besides the USA on the trussrod cover of the one, how can you tell if a EVO is USA?

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Only the Millennium eVos were USA eVos. The serial numbers of the two pictured are US2000 and US2001. The COA says USA Custom Shop and the inside control cavity covers are signed and date by the builder, Ben Chafin. The USA plastic trussrod cover is cheesy. I quilt's trussrod cover is two layers of contrasting wood with a MOP square inlay; much nicer.

It's not just the neck, the pickups, bridge and tailpiece are shifted deeper into the body on the flame vs. the quilt. I don't know why. Chaulk it up to being handmade months apart.

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Is it me or is the upper horn and cutaway 1 whole fret higher on the one on the right....

I do love those tops!!!!!

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Well yes, you are right! It realy is 1 freet higher...

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i dig the Milennium Evos..

i contemplated getting one when they were offered.. until i saw the price that they were..

i really like the "eVo" 12th inlay.. and the bare ebony board.. not to mention the presentation figured maple necks..

sweet..

if i had the scratch to convince trap to sell me the quilted one, i would..

it's a shame that there isn't a USA production Evo.. i think that they should be similar to the Mil's, but not exactly like them..

what would i want??

same genral construction as the Mil's (maple neck/mahogony body)..

but, triple pickups (creme rings/switchtip), gold hardware, full internal routing.. essentially a sealed semi-hollow body.. bone nut.. brass blocked under the bridge.. string through like the Evo-7's.. piezo bridge.. 4 knobs in LP configuration.. V/V/T/Blend, stereo-output, push-pulls for coil tap/serial-parallel.. radiused binding on fretboard.. gold anodized control cover plates.. fully shielded w/copper.. stainless steel frets.. HT headtock, thick w/recessed tuner cavities.. real "hollywood" veneered headstock.. gold MOP wings, gold MOP/sterling "eVo" inlay to mimic the gold MOP/sterling 12th "eVo" inlay.. and an ebony trussrod cover.. gold speed knobs.. schaller strap locks.. D/A trussrod w/CF reinforcement parallel with trussrod.. large white sidemarkers..

in a sweet, handrubbed 18 layer nitro-cellulose trans-quilt AmberBurst, AAAAA+ top.. so quilted, that you start to trip looking at it.. so quilted, that it becomes a "shrine" to quilted maple tops..

and Dean's sig under the finish on the back of the headstock.. Wink

this would be sweet.. IMO..

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:24 pm

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AmpliFIRE wrote:

I was just playing my HT for the past 2 hours and man does it KILL!!! I a/b'd it with my 01' LP Custom and the HT BLEW IT AWAY! Cool

. I'd sell my Custom for sure if Dean came out with a Singlecut version of the HT.

Just a thought...any others agree!?!

(Sorry Hans for starting another HT thread Wink

. We're still Dean players and Powerball lovers Very Happy

!

Hey, glad you love the HT. Do you think it has the midrange grunt of your LP? Is it too bright?

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Hotrat wrote:

I think a USA Evo would solve this problem.

Yeah, a singlecut hardtail probably wouldn't have the oomph of a USA EVO. Check out the Chafin Ember if you want what would be close to a singlecut hardtail. Smile

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Jayba the Hutt wrote:

... of course you could always buy one of these...

Come on!! Did anyone think I could resist??

The quality is probably higher on the Chafin only because of the super low quantity.

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DizzyDean wrote:

We have discussed a single cut Tail many times in the past - if a single cut does come out - like Jay said - it will be a tail.

And no - a USA EVO wouldn't work. Like Jay said - no one bought them. They were suppossed to make 50 millenium EVO's and stopped after 3 - no demand!

but the Millenium was odd looking. I think there would be a big demand for a USA Evo......Elliott seemed to agree.

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Jayba the Hutt wrote:

DizzyDean wrote:

Yea - c'mon Jay - you can't compare Bens work to that of Dean Guitars....... Rolling Eyes

A lot of DEAN Guitars ARE Ben's work! Actually you're right in a way. Ben's guitars are all built by hand by Ben HIMSELF. He would never send a guitar to a dealer that wasn't up to his standards. Wink

I know my next guitar will be a Chafin. Very Happy

I'll be calling you, Jay!

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 1163

Hardtail37 wrote:

Is it me or is the upper horn and cutaway 1 whole fret higher on the one on the right....

We went over that in the two previous posts, but the neck on the flame is one fret deeper and so is all the hardware.

throbgod13 wrote:

i dig the Milennium Evos..

i contemplated getting one when they were offered.. until i saw the price that they were..

i really like the "eVo" 12th inlay.. and the bare ebony board.. not to mention the presentation figured maple necks...

The flame top is the only one they made with a maple neck the other three had mahogany. The quilt is the only quilt.

On another note, my HardTails don't have the midrange that my LP has, but the eVos do. The HardTails are brighter and have more bottom end. I can get more mids by turning the tone on the guitar down a little and turning the bass on the amp down as well. I bet the new all mahogany HardTail is a mid range monster both in sound and price.

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 567 Location: Akron, Ohio

Thanks for the info Trap...

I didnt mean anything derogitory......I must have missed the other posts..

I would love to have either one of those....

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 1163

I didn't take it that way at all. The neck on the prototype and the flame join the body at the same point. Strange because the flame is actually the second Millennium; go figure. Confused

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4381 Location: Vaasa, Finland

Hmm, so there is a unknonw proto out there?

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:54 am

Is an unknown proto? - how would we know if it is unknown?! Laughing

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4381 Location: Vaasa, Finland

Ok, a former unknown proto that now is known?

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:03 am

What were we talking about again?

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4381 Location: Vaasa, Finland

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It's not "unknown". It is the one they used in 1999 for the press release. It's also in the 2000 and 2001 catalogs and it's the guitar you click on to get into the eVo section of the website. Ben still has it. He was experimenting with a double action trussrod and it broke.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4381 Location: Vaasa, Finland

Dang!

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:52 am

I think he means for this year, Trap... Laughing