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dtfreak
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:05 pm |
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im lookin in on the 79 series,Z,V,ML..i dont know yet...so,what are some pros and cons on each of these comparted to the USA models?Thanks a lot for your help.Oh,and which has more of a metal sound to it? |
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Ranma
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
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Location: DOA 03-00174-ML 79 Black, ML NoirX-Fort Dix, NJ
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:26 pm |
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Advantages: Less moneyfor a guitar that is supposed to look, sound and play like the original 79 series.
Disadvantages: To achiieve this they are built in a factory in Korea to the original specs of the 79 series. Most Korean workers are underpaid and as a result you get 1 high quality guitar in every 20 produced. They are built by a very unreliable company in Korea known as Samwick.
End State: More than half the guitars get kicked back because they are crap. Most that make it are of quality close to the original 79 series. |
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dtfreak
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:30 pm |
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what are you talking about? 79 or usa? You never made it clear |
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Ranma
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
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Location: DOA 03-00174-ML 79 Black, ML NoirX-Fort Dix, NJ
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:33 pm |
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downeritual
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:41 pm |
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BLOYD
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:46 pm |
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79 Reissue Series:
veneer top
crappy pickups and electronics
multi-pieced mahogany back and neck.
USA TC's:
Maple cap
great pickups and electronics.
one/two piece back
QT at USA standards  |
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Jim6
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:48 pm |
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They are built by a very unreliable company in Korea known as Samwick.
End State: More than half the guitars get kicked back because they are crap. Most that make it are of quality close to the original 79 series. |
Don't mean to quibble, but do you have any proof to substantiate either of those statements?
It's been stated several times that Samick is *not* the Korean manufacturer. You know that they are indeed the manufacturer?
Where did you come up with a figure of 50% for a return rate?
Enquiring minds want to know.........
Jim |
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dtfreak
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:09 pm |
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thanks guys(Besides ranma  ) |
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:12 pm |
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| Ranma wrote: |
They are built by a very unreliable company in Korea known as Samwick.
End State: More than half the guitars get kicked back because they are crap. Most that make it are of quality close to the original 79 series. |
Don't mean to quibble, but do you have any proof to substantiate either of those statements?
It's been stated several times that Samick is *not* the Korean manufacturer. You know that they are indeed the manufacturer?
Where did you come up with a figure of 50% for a return rate?
Enquiring minds want to know.........
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DINASTY
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:34 pm |
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The '79 series is a korean Import that can be had for the 5-7 hundred range, depending upon new/used/condition, etc. Theya re the top of the line Korean.
USA's are FAR supereior in tone and quality, but at a considerably higher cost... $1500 starting for a TC. the components, wood, pick ups, hardware, everything is far better on a USA guitar.
Other considerations;
The 79's series comes with a series 2 headstock (slightly larger "v" shape)
The TC, ironically, comes with teh smaller series 3.
The USA comes with a REAL maple cap, teh 79 with only a micro thin veneer.
the USA's come with DiMarzio Super Distortions, teh 79...well... ther're to be desired...
The USA is heavier (wieght I mean)
USA's come with a case, 79 you'll have to pay extra for it.
Hope that helps! |
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dtfreak
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:14 pm |
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thanks once again...that usa is sounding more tastier by the second |
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DIMEBAG JOE
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:22 pm |
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Korean Dean guitars are not made by Samick. I have heard this directly from Elliots mouth. I think the idea that a ton are made and only a small fraction are accepted is totally insane. Only a small # is ordered to begin with. If that were the case then the guitars would cost 3 times what they do. |
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Ranma
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
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Location: DOA 03-00174-ML 79 Black, ML NoirX-Fort Dix, NJ
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:23 pm |
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:12 pm |
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I got a '79 r/i Z @ a pawnshop for $240 out the door!!!
For the $,it's a great instrument,even for around $400.
The electronics aren't THAT bad,but I did replace them & got a lot more clarity,punch,& sustain.
I'd buy another,even tho mine does have slightly off-set dots!!! |
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BENKIA
Joined: 30 Nov 2003
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 2:41 pm |
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For some one who cant afford a USA the 79's are still a extreamly good guitar for its money right????? |
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Dim3
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
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Yes it is, i tested one out in Helsinki (Finish Capital City) this summer, and really, it kicked my friends prs's BUTT! But they had changed the pup's on it to Di'Marzios.... It realy was a Kicka$$ guitar! |
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:25 pm |
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| For some one who cant afford a USA the 79's are still a extreamly good guitar for its money right????? |
Certainly!!! |
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DINASTY
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:53 pm |
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Well, let's put it this way... when one is hesitant to play thier one of a kind USA Dean Custom shop guitar in front of a bar crowd who may or may not knock you over, spill beer on you, etc. etc. etc, the 79 will ALWAYS fill the bill quite nicely... that;s what I do. Change the pups to some Seymour Duncans, or the dean DiMarzio Super Distortions, and you're all set, they do play and sound very nice!
May I suggest order from Dave at http://www.basstreble.com/ and asking for the DBJSBML (Dime Bag Joe Silver Burst ML). It's a limited edition 79 done in Silverburst, and can be had for about $600 shipping with hardshell case, apporox. I ordered one. there are less than 30 made. Dave has VERY FEW left! |
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Dischord
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:09 pm |
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Basically, if you pulled a Hans and replaced the pups with Bill Lawrences, you'd have a killer axe with killer sound and only spend about $550, that's shipped and with case. |
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 9:11 pm |
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| Basically, if you pulled a Hans and replaced the pups with Bill Lawrences, you'd have a killer axe with killer sound and only spend about $550, that's shipped and with case. |
Only Hans spent a bit more *snicker snicker* jk |
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Ranma
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Location: DOA 03-00174-ML 79 Black, ML NoirX-Fort Dix, NJ
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 10:48 pm |
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Grumpy Goat
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:29 pm |
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| most definately, however the noir series has better pups |
True dat. |
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Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:36 am |
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| End State: More than half the guitars get kicked back because they are crap. Most that make it are of quality close to the original 79 series. |
judging by your sig, you own 2 korean Deans. If more than half of the guitars "get kicked back because they are crap", wouldn't that mean 1 OR more of your deans is crap?
where did you hear that? |
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Ranma
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Location: DOA 03-00174-ML 79 Black, ML NoirX-Fort Dix, NJ
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Sun Dec 07, 2003 1:59 am |
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Go to a music shop in Korea pick up a Dean of local manufacture and then tell me how well they play.
there may be one USA Dean on the shelf so chek sn's if it begins with E or if there is no sn, try those. |
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DIMEBAG JOE
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Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:11 am |
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I bet most of those guitars are not properly set up. They are coming directly from the factory. Our guitars go through Dean's headquarters and are looked over and a decent set-up done before they leave for the store where another set-up usually occurs. |
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Jan Haa˙er
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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Sun Dec 07, 2003 12:47 pm |
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| My Fault however it is the only korean manufacturer of guitars that I know of. |
so just becasue you have never heard of them means they dont excest? |
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Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:49 pm |
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If you're looking for a '79 series ML I have a braziliaburst in like new shape with case for $400. PM me if you're interested.  |
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Ranma
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Location: DOA 03-00174-ML 79 Black, ML NoirX-Fort Dix, NJ
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DizzyDean
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Well, I got my first non US Dean about 2 weeks ago. A white 79 V, and I must say - it is flawless. There is not a single mark or flaw on it anywhere - I was WAY impressed to say the least.
It doesn't compare in sound to the US models, nor does it look anywhere near as nice. BUT - it plays just as nice and has great action up and down the neck. Yes - it needs better pups, but I'll get to that eventually.
Still no comparison in the overall quality of the guitars, but at that price differential, there shouldn't be. One thing is for certain, this 79 V has completely changed my opinion of the off shore stuff Dean has to offer. It is a HIGH QUALITY guitar, and for the money - you definitely can't go wrong. |
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Dischord
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Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:38 pm |
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| Basically, if you pulled a Hans and replaced the pups with Bill Lawrences, you'd have a killer axe with killer sound and only spend about $550, that's shipped and with case. |
Only Hans spent a bit more *snicker snicker* jk |
It's cheaper for Hans to get a TC (if you add shipping etc) than it is for a Korean 79 series, that's why he always gets a TC |
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spacebeer
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Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:49 am |
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The only cons I have with the 79's is the "saggy" crotch or whatever you call it and the PU's!
But teh PU's are easily fixed! |
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| Basically, if you pulled a Hans and replaced the pups with Bill Lawrences, you'd have a killer axe with killer sound and only spend about $550, that's shipped and with case. |
Only Hans spent a bit more *snicker snicker* jk |
It's cheaper for Hans to get a TC (if you add shipping etc) than it is for a Korean 79 series, that's why he always gets a TC |
Indeed with all the shipping and taxes a 79 would cost me close to $ 1000 like the DOA caddy, i'd rather dish out the additional $ 500-700 to buy a TC |
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Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:03 am |
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Hans explain the "saggy" crotch? |
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spacebeer
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Compare the inner radius of the V shape of the ML to the TC series or a Vintage USA DEAN you'll see that it isn't correct and much more rounded than the "V" shape the USA ML's have... |
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Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:00 pm |
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I love my '79 V. The only complaint that I have is that the fret position markers on the side of the neck are very hard to see when strobe lights are flashing, stage lights are changing, there is a lot of smoke on the stage, and you are headbanging. |
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Thor Malleuson
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That is me up above - I had not logged in. |
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