Ed Roman BB DEANs part III

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he hosts this pic of DEAN Z holding supposedly teh first one of teh limited Batch BB 79 series DEANs..

What do you guys think it this a 79 series or a TC...if it is indeed a 79 they did a helluva job in Korea!

It looks gorgeous IMO!

Guest

Hans,

Sure looks like a series III headstock and my understanding was the new 79 series were going to be series II headstocks which have already been available.
Bill

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

Yeah Bill I had the same perception......still curious thjough, he DOES list this as being the new 79 BB run....

Guest

I take him with a grain of salt.
Bill

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:40 am

Time Capsule.

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 7:52 am

Sure looks like Dean's sig on the headstock -

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Time Capsule for sure.

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Thought so...but it really sais under the PIc DEAN Z holding the first one LOL

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this is complete bullsh*t..

it's PHOTOSHOP'd...

take the pic, enlarge it 2x, look at the seventh fret.. the big black blob, the bad use of the blur tool..

also, look at the flash reflection in DeanZ's sunglasses, and look at the alternate lighting on the neck of the TC Z..

now, if it was real, why would someone need to "retouch" the neck, in a real picture??

the leprechaun is still a couple of months off on getting them..

THIS IS A TIME CAPSULE.. NOT A 79 BB..

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:24 am

Hey if it is fraud then Elliot should can the order, sell them to Dave at B&T and we'll get a crack at them at an intelligent price Twisted Evil

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Indeed now I take a better look at it, man sorry if i say this but even DEAN Z must have an opinion about this......

It's kinda low advertise in this way

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It looks to me as though the shot was taken at one of the previous NAMM conventions, which the most recent was several months ago.

Remember, be nice to the dealers. Someone may have told him it was okay to use that picture in that context. We don't know one way or the other.

Jim

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4797 Location: BEERMUDA

I wasn't being offensive...just curious about the BB 79's but now Throbgod has said it, it INDEED looks photoshopped.....or doesn't it!

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Booyah it does! Thats just so lame! Mad

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and.. look at the shadows on DeanZ's face.. and the shadows off the bridge and the pickups.. a little off??

Dean is lighted with overhead flourescent tube lights, and a small direct flash..

the TC Z's does not show the same type of lighting..

the way to see this is, to trace back from the bottom of the shadows, to the source of the lighting..

this is such a fake..

i'm sure that DeanZ is holding a Dean "Z", but i doubt that it's a BB TC, and it sure isn't a 79 BB..

since they were announced, i've been torn up about them.. now, i know that most of you know my stance on the BBs.. and that i'd prefer a 79 BB, due to costs and not being spooked to take it out of the house..

i've in the last few weeks have really thought about getting the 79 prototype V, and paying the 699 for it.. thinking about which guitars i'd have to sell to get it.. and received an incredible offer directly from Elliott on the 79 BB V proto.. i've been thinking seriously of culling my small herd of guitars to make it happen..

and in the last few days, i've decieded on which guitars that i wouldn't die without.. and was just about to offer them up here, and subsequently on eBay..

i was wary of the leprechaun before.. due to other members dealings with him..

now..

after this faked photo.. (and i'm really sure that it *is* a fake..)

this is fraud.. this is false advertising.. it could also be construed as "bait and switch".. show a exceptional USA TC, and hand over a typical, yet BB, 79..

yes, yes.. the leprechaun's 79 BBs will supposedly have fully bound necks & headstocks, and "real" MOP inlays.. (the justification for the base price increase to $899.99)

i'll believe it when i see a real 79 BB.. the "BB V prototype" pic is more realistic than the TC's posing as 79s..

i'm upset about it all.. sorry, this is a huge sore spot for me..

Guest

I know for sure that is a TC. I was in Ed Roman's WCG back on LAST year's Thanksgiving and also in June of this year, and that BB Z was in there both times. I checked it out both times. It is a signed (headstock) Time capsule.

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HereticHulk wrote:

can someone post a pic of the 79 series BB ML. i haven't seen that yet. any word on a czech built BB? i don't think i'd buy another korean Dean. Rolling Eyes

there is not a picture of a 79-series BB ML, due to them not being in from Korea, yet.. this is one of the reasons that the leprechaun is posting fakes of the 79s, using TCs as stand-ins..

no word of the Czech-BBs, Dana (Guitar Force One) has said that the Czech shop has been closed.. something like a year ago.. i personally don't know what to make of that.. i hope that the Czech shop is still open..

i would buy another MIK, but *not* from the leprechaun for $899.99..

i might just shoot a 79 BB myself.. (or have it done..)

Guest

yeah i left the board awhile ago and under bad standing!but i have talked to ed and he said that the series was discontinued and that he did not have the prototype V.i later called and talked to rich and he said they had all in stock including the proto.i then typed ed and asked him about this and his reply was that he had the proto type he thought and if interested to please call.interesting .i am a little leary of this dealer.i am however interested in his tcv and tcz.but i do not think i can do business with him.this is not a bashing.but a concern!

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:51 pm

Oh come on, Ed Roman would never tell you that your buying a USA Dean and then ship you a Korean one. That would never happen... Rolling Eyes

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from what i understand is..

1) the series is to be made.. or is in the process of being made..

2) the guitars use real MOP inlays in a rosewood board, and are fully bound.. as to the binding, i don't know if it's real binding, or the shaped, binding paste that is used with most MIKs..

3) the prototype V is real.. the one that *was* pictured, with the unbound headstock and dot inlay.. it is for sale at $699.99.. using stock MIK electronics & hardware..

4) the pictures of the "other" 79s are actually TCs..

5) they carry a price of $899.99 for the base models, including a NON-Dean HSC..

6) all models will be made.. V, Z and ML.. no Caddy/Elite..

7) they will have a COA..

that's it.. i suppose that they should actually be in around late January, early February.. *i guess*..

and the only place to get them is through the leprechaun.. Evil or Very Mad

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 6:31 pm

Thanks fer contributin to me pot o' gold...... Rolling Eyes

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:07 pm

throbgod13 wrote:

this is complete bullsh*t..

it's PHOTOSHOP'd...

take the pic, enlarge it 2x, look at the seventh fret.. the big black blob, the bad use of the blur tool..

also, look at the flash reflection in DeanZ's sunglasses, and look at the alternate lighting on the neck of the TC Z..

now, if it was real, why would someone need to "retouch" the neck, in a real picture??

the leprechaun is still a couple of months off on getting them..

THIS IS A TIME CAPSULE.. NOT A 79 BB..

I concur with you throb god. The Z has a flash about midway up the neck. The only way that can happen is if the camera was pointed at the axe. And dean's shades are not reflecting enough of the flash. This tells me that these are two separate photos, merged to gether.

I am gonna do this so y'all can see whats going on here.

This is my ML NoirX (but that is not important here)

What is important is that I took the picture and focused on the head stock and had my camera canted so I could get the axe.

Now compare that pic with this one and tell me if you notice anything

In other words this proves that camera took a pic of the TC strait on. This means there is no way any one could have gotten a clear pic of DeanZ like that. Dean would have been blured and out of focus.

Guest

ed rules!!!!!!!and if my memory is correct the proto was 649.00 and be sure and order before x_mas to insure delivery!!!!!!l

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:48 pm

eh hem

ED ROMAN / Bass&Treble

Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 2705 Location: Dallas, TX

My personal opinion, and my personal opinion only.

I wouldn't deal with the leprachaun if he was the last music store on earth. I think I'd prefer to play kazoo first.

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jc wrote:

ed rules!!!!!!!and if my memory is correct the proto was 649.00 and be sure and order before x_mas to insure delivery!!!!!!l

nope, $699.99 + SHIPPING..

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:38 am

LewnWorx wrote:

My personal opinion, and my personal opinion only.

I wouldn't deal with the leprachaun if he was the last music store on earth. I think I'd prefer to play kazoo first.

Did someone say kazoo?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2576505266&category=23790

Now if it only had a MIDI interface you would be all set.

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Ranma wrote:

eh hem

ED ROMAN / Bass&Treble

Bwaaahahahahaahah! So f*ckin true! Twisted Evil

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:28 am

Ed Roman is a scumbag lying piece of crap. If you're below 70 IQ type enough to buy anything from him, you derserve to be lied to and ripped off. Years ago I gave him a call on the phone to inquire about Dean's and you know what the little jerkoff told me? He told me didn't like dealing in Dean's because he didn't like "the Dean type people" wasting his time. I told him sorry for wasting his time, I'll go find one somewhere else from someone who appreciated the guitars and appreciated the business........click.

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Anonymous wrote:

Ed Roman is a scumbag lying piece of crap. If you're below 70 IQ type enough to buy anything from him, you derserve to be lied to and ripped off. Years ago I gave him a call on the phone to inquire about Dean's and you know what the little jerkoff told me? He told me didn't like dealing in Dean's because he didn't like "the Dean type people" wasting his time. I told him sorry for wasting his time, I'll go find one somewhere else from someone who appreciated the guitars and appreciated the business........click.

Id like to grab a shotgun, load it with some salt-ammunition and shoot him up the a$$! Evil or Very Mad

Guest

My one and ONLY experience with Ed Roman sales:

I bought my first DEAN the Czech Korina Z in January 03, I happened upon the Ed Roman website and saw that he had some Czech Korina Vs. I called and talked to Scott who gave me a price of $1995.00 PLUS $175.00 for a hardcase WHICH I was told I had to purchase or the guitar couldn't be shipped. Need less to say I didn't buy the Korina V and I have since sold my Korina Z, and have seen a number of Vs and Zs for sale on ebay at less than 1/2 the price, that he wants. I later was told that he had bought the last of the Korina inventory. Obviously he is trying to make a killing, and could care who he screws in the process.
Bill

Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 2705 Location: Dallas, TX

Quote:

Did someone say kazoo?

Well I'll be damned.

Dunno if you checked out the audio examples, but they were pretty cool.

The Boo Radleys used to use a cheap plastic harmonium and run that through a Marshall stack. Maybe this guy's on to something.

If nothing else, I definately know where to go when the Leprachaun is the last music dealer on earth.

Guest

Justnoldbluzman wrote:

My one and ONLY experience with Ed Roman sales:

I later was told that he had bought the last of the Korina inventory. Obviously he is trying to make a killing, and could care who he screws in the process.
Bill

Hahahahaha, no wonder he had a full page pimping those Czech korina guitars and telling the world how they were the best guitars ever made and worth a fortune. Ed's a scumbag and that was me above calling him a scumbag. Along with telling me didn't like to deal with Dean type people wasting his time, he said the Korean guitars were garbage and he wouldn't deal in them. This was about 4 years ago. So now I hear he's doing a BB Korean series?

Ol Ed has quite a reputation thru-out the guitar world and many nasty stories on other guitar related message boards. At NAMM last year, one of the JCF(JacksonCharvelForum) members spotted him, walked up behind him and gave him a swift kick in the ass just because everyone had wanted to do it. Wish I had seen that one.

Guest

taint????? How funny, I typed a$$ and it posted "taint".

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 4381 Location: Vaasa, Finland

Why did i miss that 1! Laughing

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:43 pm

Dean Z, or Elliot:

I have a question concerning EdRoman. Does Dean have a policy against price gouging?

Ranma.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:11 pm

While I am an unashamed supporter of Deans no price bashing policy I draw the line at dealers using fake pictures (as Throb called it 'the old bait and switch' tactic). I have always seen Dean as one of the most honest companies, however why they continue to tolerate this dealers antics is beyond me. I am not so offended by the price as the real MOP inlays and binding sorta make up for that, but advertising TCs as 79s, even if he doesn't have sample pictures, is not on. Evil or Very Mad

Joined: 01 Dec 2003 Posts: 3939 Location: Orlando, FL

A little off topic, but...............

Guns don't kill people, Chimps do.

Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:44 pm

Thor Intrepid wrote:

A little off topic, but...............

Guns don't kill people, Chimps do.

I've been trying to tell peeps that fer years... Laughing

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 393 Location: Lake Mary, Florida

I've bought 2 guitars from Ed Roman. The first (a 78 Z I sold) took a while to finally get to my door. The second was the Hardtail prototype -- not a problem then. I paid a premium price both times -- $1K for the Z which I sold for $700; $2300 for the Hardtail which I still have no problem with paying a premium price for (>30% below retail). I do not let personal opinions about Ed get in the way of buying a guitar from him if it's something I really want and am willing to pay his premium price. I'd love to have a Blueburst V, and Im still not sure I want to go USA or MIK for it. But if I'm willing to pay the price, I don't care if it's from Ed Roman or Mother Teresa. The guy's not baby-sitting my kids, he's just shipping a guitar.

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:28 am

ragnut wrote:

I've bought 2 guitars from Ed Roman. The first (a 78 Z I sold) took a while to finally get to my door. The second was the Hardtail prototype -- not a problem then. I paid a premium price both times -- $1K for the Z which I sold for $700; $2300 for the Hardtail which I still have no problem with paying a premium price for (>30% below retail). I do not let personal opinions about Ed get in the way of buying a guitar from him if it's something I really want and am willing to pay his premium price. I'd love to have a Blueburst V, and Im still not sure I want to go USA or MIK for it. But if I'm willing to pay the price, I don't care if it's from Ed Roman or Mother Teresa. The guy's not baby-sitting my kids, he's just shipping a guitar.

But....................

Is it a matter of just "having it",.........OR being the first one on the block Question

Sometimes impulse buying later leads to regret.

As they say.......Patience is the better part of virtue.

Yes, owning the guitar is the desired end result.

But......at what cost Question

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:42 am

I will add to instigators comment by saying.

Fool who rush have heead full of mush.

Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2003 1:56 am

Exactly, if your going to impulse buy at least get with B&T.

Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 2705 Location: Dallas, TX

Quote:

he (Dean Z) does not think well of forum posters that diss Dean Dealers for price (or any) reasons... There was also an implied threat to eliminate the forum if we continued harping on Dean guitar pricing.

You know what?

I've never seen that. At least not from Dean the man, or the company. All I've seen is some sort of vieled reference to it with some implied and vague threat posted by a forum member.

As a result, I file that under complete and utter heresay, and factor in the apparent love of mellodrama on the part of the poster in question.

By this year's DOA, I will have bought 6 new deans in less than 2 years, 4 of which are USA's. As a customer who repeatedly puts his money where his mouth is, I will (and have) comment(ed) favorably about dealers I've had favorable interactions with, and unfavorably about dealers who I've had bad interactions with.

I do not stoop to jumping on a "me too" bandwagon for dealers I've had no interactions with.

Do not get me wrong. I have had an extremely good run with Dean guitars for over 20 years now, and I do not see that changing in any way.

As a result, I'm having difficulty taking this as "posted public policy" as I never personally saw a post from EITHER Dean or Elliot anywhere near those lines.

If they either tell me directly or post something directly, I'll stand corrected (and confused) but until then I'll file that whole notion under "Untrue Urban Legend"

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i have apprehensions in dealing with him, due to other's dealings.. not "just" on this board, but from the wide spectrum of postings on how he does business on the internet, as a whole.. don't get all "self-righteous" that this board is the only place that he has a reputation with.. he's not just a Dean dealer..

now, about the BBs.. big deal.. so, he got them.. fine.. can't "undo" what is..

some of you may have had great deals with him.. fine.. great...

does any of this excuse the use of a (badly) faked picture??

or and excuse for using the pictures of $2500.00 USA Deans, to sell a $899.99 MIK BB??

not in my eyes.. just from that, as a prospective customer, that lost the sale.. no matter what is being sold.. it could be a '76 proto for sale, and i wouldn't buy it from a dealer that is willing to go to that type of extent to garner a sale.. it doesn't have anything to do with "price"..

it's about the honesty of the dealer that is really in question..

this doesn't look "honest", in my opinion..

and if questioning this "particular" is going to get me in "trouble" with either DeanZ, or Elliott.. OK, that's fine..

i just will have to reassess what kind of customer i will be, or not be, for Dean Guitars in the future, if something happens like that..

i am a CUSTOMER, first and foremost.. boy, don't you forget it..

without the customer, you don't have a business.. i will question whatever deal is presented to me, and the person selling, without doubt and to no end.. until I am satisfied.. period..

if your selling something, you'd better do the "dog and pony" show to get my cash.. and if i catch you lying about what your selling, in ANY WAY, no money for you..

"word of mouth" is stronger than any bought advertisement could ever be..

and the leprechaun has his..

Guest

Mark,
For sake of any misunderstanding Dean Z did post a letter / statement in the forum and in no uncertain words made it clear that dissing anyone selling a DEAN guitar(be it private or a Dealer) would no longer be tolerated. There was to be no interference or reference made about pricing or any action to cause the possible devaluation of a Dean guitar be it new or vintage. When some people questioned and continued we were told to read between the lines. This was all in reference to the PRS forum being disbanded because forum members alledgely were discussing pricing and dealers.

I wrote to Dean and asked about statements that I had made and in a reply from Dean which I did not make public ( as I had been told that it was in bad taste to make a PM public) other than one statement which was as followed, in paraphrase:

Any forum member who continues to interefere with any Private or Dealer sale of a Dean guitar be it new or Vintage or causes Dean guitars value to go down will risk being banned from the forum.

The statement that Dean made in the forum made it pretty clear that there was a good possibility that the forum would be shut down if the same actions continued, all one had to do was read between the lines as our President and others said. Shortly after Dean made that post the forum crashed and the first reaction of many was that the forum had indeed been yanked.

This all happened during the time frame that you were not posting.
Bill

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 393 Location: Lake Mary, Florida

I have no problem with the opinion of someone not wanting to buy from Ed, for whatever reason. I posted my experiences with Ed to show that it doesn't always have to go bad with him. Also, if I want to buy a guitar at a premium because I'd be the first on the block to have it, or if matches the freeking color of my wife's eyes, it's my business. If you don't want to buy something from a guy who markets his business buy photoshopping pics, or went to a rival college, or you don't like the color of his eyes, that's your business. More power to you. Your opinion and actions are not destructive to me or anyone else. The decision of what to do to ones money is very individual, and is frequently associated with how much money you have to expend in the first place.

Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Posts: 2705 Location: Dallas, TX

Hm. I certainly don't taste shoe.

If you'll note, I said that I hadn't seen it, and I hadn't. I did look when I saw the posts around it, but for the life of me could not find any post by Dean on this.

And if you'll also note, I said I would stand corrected.

Well, I stand corrected.

And definitely confused. I would love to see the original post on this, because I'm not sure I would have read the same thing from it.

So'k, I'll asked DZ directly next time I talk to him.

I work for a manufacturer. We're very much aware that our end users are our customers. Our dealers have to supply the products to our customers, but untimately, it's our customers that pay the rent.

We have had cases in the past where (rarely) we have found a dealer that is less than shall we say "above board" in thier dealings with our customers. We have in some cases gone as far as revoking dealerships when necessary.

When we get a number of complaints from end users about a particular dealer, we look into it. In some cases, the complaints are truly baseless.

(You know, there are customers out there in ANY line of business who just love to be pissed off, and will gripe no matter what you do, and furthermore will use that as a means of getting over on either the dealer or manufacturer in any number of ways. These are the last people you want as customers. I suspect that some, but not all, of the ER haters fall into this camp.)

In other cases, there is substantive evidence that the dealer has either misrepresented the product, or the service that goes with it. This can either be intentional, or just due to poor management or incompetance.

When we find this to be true, we take action accordingly. If it's just a screw up that can be fixed, we educate the dealer. If we find it to be an intentional hosing, they're history.

I find it very difficult to believe that Dean Guitars would be any different, since it just makes good business sense to do so, which was the rationale behind my previous posts on this topic.

Like Dean, our dealers are free to handle pricing as they see fit. We publish MSRP, and it's up to the dealers to establish the net price to our end users.

And yes, there is a fair range in these prices. However, we're also aware that some dealers are little more than box movers, while others provide an extensive post sale suppot structure, user training and other stuff along these lines.

That stuff has to be paid for somehow, and therein lies (in many cases) the reason for the delta on the pricing. I don't (and I don't know any mfg's) that have a problem with this. Different customers look for different things in the dealers they choose to do business with.

As a result, the pricing bit to me is a completely separate issue. My stance is the same as it has always been. If I get good treatment from a dealer, I'll sing thier praises from here to the moon and back. If I get treated like crap, I'll say that as well.

And in this case, I was treated like crap, and I'll never forget it, or forgive it.

This has absolutely no reflection on Dean Z, Dean Guitars or Elliot. I'm very capable of separating a dealer from the line they carry.

I've never had anything BUT great dealings with Dean itself. Elliot and Dean have demonstrated on many occasions their level of commitment, and support for the end users of the product.

As a result, I find the "take" on the post (I never personally read) a bit odd and confusing, as it's utterly incongruous with the behaviors I've personally witnessed.

Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 403 Location: Cincinnati, OH

Mark, I also remember Dean's post on the subject. It was on the old board though. He enver actually said "I'll end the forum if it continues", but he did say that this behaviour is what ended the PRS forum, and he did say "we should read between the lines". Dave, DOA Pres., Also made a comment to it similarly. Not trying to provok anything, and I certainly don;t like to forum mebers slapping at it or anything, but I just wanted to add that it was posted. if the old info is ever retrieved, perhapos we'll be avble to find it again? the thread was "Death of teh PRS forum" or somehting liek that, it was a long one. Hope that helps!

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Thanx for the info.

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yeah.. the amount of cash you have DOES make a difference..

the $5123.73 that i paid for my JS2K Ibanez did make a difference, the difference was that i got one that was unplayed, in mint condition..

and, the near $7000.00 that i got for my JS4 Rainbow Ibanez did make a difference, too..

so, i really don't have a problem with paying for a guitar.. i do have a problem if the person selling them has a bad reputation..

that's the beef.. that's all it comes down to..

Guest

As administrator of the JacksonCharvelForum, I had to deal with threats from Ed Roman when people posted about how they had been ripped off by ol' Ed on specific guitar deals. Ed's reputation is well documented all over the net and pretty much universal in it's opinion no matter what the guitar brand. Ed threatened lawsuits if we didn't remove negative posts about him on the JacksonCharvelForum. We didn't speak to him directly but thru a Jackson representative that had been contacted. We told Ed to kiss our a$$es and never removed a thing.

Give Ed a call and tell him you have one of the 200 1992 Jackson Rhoads LTD guitars and ask him if he's interested in buying it. Ed will tell you that they aren't that popular and might give you $500 for one. LTD's normally go in the $3000 range. I bought one from a guy desperate for money for $1600. That guy had purchased it a year earlier from Ed Roman for $5000!!!!

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ragnut wrote:

But if I'm willing to pay the price, I don't care if it's from Ed Roman or Mother Teresa.

You can't buy guitars from Mother Teresa anymore...she's dead.

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PresidentDave wrote:

ragnut wrote:

But if I'm willing to pay the price, I don't care if it's from Ed Roman or Mother Teresa.

You can't buy guitars from Mother Teresa anymore...she's dead.

...but I bet she never screwed anyone in a deal for a guitar...

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:03 am

mr_ed wrote:

PresidentDave wrote:

ragnut wrote:

But if I'm willing to pay the price, I don't care if it's from Ed Roman or Mother Teresa.

You can't buy guitars from Mother Teresa anymore...she's dead.

...but I bet she never screwed anyone in a deal for a guitar...

You don't know that... Razz

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:23 pm

ponch wrote:

mr_ed wrote:

PresidentDave wrote:

ragnut wrote:

But if I'm willing to pay the price, I don't care if it's from Ed Roman or Mother Teresa.

You can't buy guitars from Mother Teresa anymore...she's dead.

...but I bet she never screwed anyone in a deal for a guitar...

You don't know that... Razz

or do you? Twisted Evil